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		<title>By: Len van der Merwe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len van der Merwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 11:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jewish Board of Deputies has Jewish management?</description>
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		<title>By: Tebogo</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2008/04/24/2087/comment-page-1/#comment-29778</link>
		<dc:creator>Tebogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Consulting Engineer

&quot;Racism is something else. Eacism is not liking another race and being aware of racial differences and categorising people by race. What is wrong with that?&quot;


I like your passion for knowledge(noticed in most of your comments) is your racial views I despise.Justify with facts?Man,please!You use one of the most cunning method I know.You take the very same facts and twist them in the wrong way to suit your negative position,hence is very difficult for you and your type to acknowledge any wrong-doing.The quote above is the primary example of the truthful argument twisted to to suit a sick argument,there is nothing with an individual not liking another race to an extend of taking a gun and shooting(incident in Swartruggens earlier this year). 

&quot;Now that it is becoming clear that South African Blacks were better off under Apartheid,...&quot;

You surely remember this &quot;fact&quot; don&#039;t you?!How can you not,yet you expect the majority of people in this Republic to view people like you differently.The killing of innocent people during apartheid was just fine with you,system that embraced white supremacy(apartheid) yet you so much carry it attributes with pride,you defended the UOVS event with so much enthusiam and you continue to see nothing wrong with that!!

There is nothing wrong with being passionate about being white but when done at the expense of other race,then there is a problem.And this is exactly whats happenig in this contry...



But then like I said somethings are genetical,hence the difficulty in noticing our our incorrect postion!!Being sick is believing that you were created better than others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Consulting Engineer</p>
<p>&#8220;Racism is something else. Eacism is not liking another race and being aware of racial differences and categorising people by race. What is wrong with that?&#8221;</p>
<p>I like your passion for knowledge(noticed in most of your comments) is your racial views I despise.Justify with facts?Man,please!You use one of the most cunning method I know.You take the very same facts and twist them in the wrong way to suit your negative position,hence is very difficult for you and your type to acknowledge any wrong-doing.The quote above is the primary example of the truthful argument twisted to to suit a sick argument,there is nothing with an individual not liking another race to an extend of taking a gun and shooting(incident in Swartruggens earlier this year). </p>
<p>&#8220;Now that it is becoming clear that South African Blacks were better off under Apartheid,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You surely remember this &#8220;fact&#8221; don&#8217;t you?!How can you not,yet you expect the majority of people in this Republic to view people like you differently.The killing of innocent people during apartheid was just fine with you,system that embraced white supremacy(apartheid) yet you so much carry it attributes with pride,you defended the UOVS event with so much enthusiam and you continue to see nothing wrong with that!!</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with being passionate about being white but when done at the expense of other race,then there is a problem.And this is exactly whats happenig in this contry&#8230;</p>
<p>But then like I said somethings are genetical,hence the difficulty in noticing our our incorrect postion!!Being sick is believing that you were created better than others.</p>
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		<title>By: Castor Troye</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2008/04/24/2087/comment-page-1/#comment-29710</link>
		<dc:creator>Castor Troye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing South Africans can be proud about is that we confront our racial differences and embrace them. Sometimes we are blunt about it and it times it is awkward, but at least it is being dealt with.

In the USA for example, politcal correctness and a move away from cultural backgrounds towards a melting pot of American culture has left to underlying racial issues being ignored. In other words, the 300 years of racial discrimination has been swept under the carpet, but that does not mean that its legacy has gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing South Africans can be proud about is that we confront our racial differences and embrace them. Sometimes we are blunt about it and it times it is awkward, but at least it is being dealt with.</p>
<p>In the USA for example, politcal correctness and a move away from cultural backgrounds towards a melting pot of American culture has left to underlying racial issues being ignored. In other words, the 300 years of racial discrimination has been swept under the carpet, but that does not mean that its legacy has gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Consulting Engineer</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2008/04/24/2087/comment-page-1/#comment-29655</link>
		<dc:creator>Consulting Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tebogo

Im glad you read most of my posts. Another fan!

Maybe you don&#039;t like my views but as you say I make sure I justify it with facts. That is what you can&#039;t bear. You cannot counter the facts, except by exposing your unjustifiable views.

If you want to call me sick, what is the disease? Is it listed in DSM? or is just your opinion? Opinion without facts is like a poep. Hot air that dessimates rapidly.

There are many people like me, as you are well aware. have you seen th growth of the right wing in France, Normay, Belgium, Denmark, eastern europe? The best thing is that the growth of the right is fueled by people like you. The more liberalism ideolgies causes failures, the more rapidly people turn away from it. Just look at the collapse all around you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tebogo</p>
<p>Im glad you read most of my posts. Another fan!</p>
<p>Maybe you don&#8217;t like my views but as you say I make sure I justify it with facts. That is what you can&#8217;t bear. You cannot counter the facts, except by exposing your unjustifiable views.</p>
<p>If you want to call me sick, what is the disease? Is it listed in DSM? or is just your opinion? Opinion without facts is like a poep. Hot air that dessimates rapidly.</p>
<p>There are many people like me, as you are well aware. have you seen th growth of the right wing in France, Normay, Belgium, Denmark, eastern europe? The best thing is that the growth of the right is fueled by people like you. The more liberalism ideolgies causes failures, the more rapidly people turn away from it. Just look at the collapse all around you.</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2008/04/24/2087/comment-page-1/#comment-29341</link>
		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
You write:
&quot;What we can, and surely should, be taking heart from is the genuinely strong national consensus that unfair discrimination has no place in the society we are trying to build and that there exist so many institutions — among them the Human Rights Commission, Equality Court and, of course, a free media — to expose and confront it.&quot;

Are you seriously suggesting that South Africa&#039;s &quot;free media&quot; will expose and confront antisemitism? Do you have faith such faith in The Mail and Guardian ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
You write:<br />
&#8220;What we can, and surely should, be taking heart from is the genuinely strong national consensus that unfair discrimination has no place in the society we are trying to build and that there exist so many institutions — among them the Human Rights Commission, Equality Court and, of course, a free media — to expose and confront it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you seriously suggesting that South Africa&#8217;s &#8220;free media&#8221; will expose and confront antisemitism? Do you have faith such faith in The Mail and Guardian ??</p>
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		<title>By: Consulting Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consulting Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eugene

What strikes me about Osama is his first messages before the terrorism were calls for US troops out of the Holy Land of Saudi. Seemed legitimate in terms of their religion. How would americans have responded to Saudi troops in Washington DC?

If the US had not based troops in the Gulf would there have been an Al Qaeda at all? Seems like Bush makes far more terrorists than he ever eliminates.

There was no muslim terror until the US started their support of Israel. Terror in the mid east started with Israeli terrorists attacking british troops after WW2. After that it was the PLO, again related to israel.

I recall one time on the coast of Kenya, it was very muslim. The hotels had signs requesting tourists to respect their culture and not to go topless on the beaches as it undermines their youth. But the europeans did it anyway. I thought that if you don&#039;t want to respect their culture (even though it has many forms of discrimination), why go there and show disrespect? It makes you feel ashamed to be white when you see that.

I also quickly learnt that they get very offended if you enter a mosque. The architecture on some mosques in northern ghana is fascinating. I wished i could go in to have a look. But a person&#039;s religion is something you must respect.

Regarding the Hindus, they seem agressive enough in that muslim versus hindu fighting in India and the Pakistan vs India wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eugene</p>
<p>What strikes me about Osama is his first messages before the terrorism were calls for US troops out of the Holy Land of Saudi. Seemed legitimate in terms of their religion. How would americans have responded to Saudi troops in Washington DC?</p>
<p>If the US had not based troops in the Gulf would there have been an Al Qaeda at all? Seems like Bush makes far more terrorists than he ever eliminates.</p>
<p>There was no muslim terror until the US started their support of Israel. Terror in the mid east started with Israeli terrorists attacking british troops after WW2. After that it was the PLO, again related to israel.</p>
<p>I recall one time on the coast of Kenya, it was very muslim. The hotels had signs requesting tourists to respect their culture and not to go topless on the beaches as it undermines their youth. But the europeans did it anyway. I thought that if you don&#8217;t want to respect their culture (even though it has many forms of discrimination), why go there and show disrespect? It makes you feel ashamed to be white when you see that.</p>
<p>I also quickly learnt that they get very offended if you enter a mosque. The architecture on some mosques in northern ghana is fascinating. I wished i could go in to have a look. But a person&#8217;s religion is something you must respect.</p>
<p>Regarding the Hindus, they seem agressive enough in that muslim versus hindu fighting in India and the Pakistan vs India wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Tebogo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tebogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Consulting Engineer
I been following most of your comments on various posts,trying to figure out if you represent an unusual position or not and whether your thoughts by most are misunderstood(especially those who diagree with you).But I have come to a conclusion without a doubt:YOU ARE A SICK RACIST,and for the mere fact that you go out to publicly announce and justify it,makes it horrible to bear!!

How I wish the was little of people like you in the whole world,particularly in S.A!But then again certain attributes of believes are genetical,maybe is not your fault,your diagnosed with this sickness.Wake up!!,your racism is just a mere acid to soul your apartheid will NEVER,EVER happen again!!!Your racial prejudices maybe good for your ego but hardly a pill for your heart...

@ David Saks

Thank you,for a good piece of writing.Particularly a piece that acknowledges some positive developments in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Consulting Engineer<br />
I been following most of your comments on various posts,trying to figure out if you represent an unusual position or not and whether your thoughts by most are misunderstood(especially those who diagree with you).But I have come to a conclusion without a doubt:YOU ARE A SICK RACIST,and for the mere fact that you go out to publicly announce and justify it,makes it horrible to bear!!</p>
<p>How I wish the was little of people like you in the whole world,particularly in S.A!But then again certain attributes of believes are genetical,maybe is not your fault,your diagnosed with this sickness.Wake up!!,your racism is just a mere acid to soul your apartheid will NEVER,EVER happen again!!!Your racial prejudices maybe good for your ego but hardly a pill for your heart&#8230;</p>
<p>@ David Saks</p>
<p>Thank you,for a good piece of writing.Particularly a piece that acknowledges some positive developments in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Marais</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2008/04/24/2087/comment-page-1/#comment-29305</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Marais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CE
Howzit bru,
Yes I did forget the Hindus.
I think it could be because in history we have had the crusades by the Christians and Jihad’s against the Infidel. Then the Palestine/Israel
war.
Some Christians call Osama bin Laden a terrorist. To millions he is a hero.
Muslims all hate Dubya, ) although some will deny it) will not eat Kentucky or Macdonalds even it it was Halal and will not drive Hummers or any other American car.
Muslims today, still protect their religion, as do the Jews.
I find we as Christians have become really slapgat about ours.
Many of us never go to church or even pray. When people mock our Saviour we do nothing, like with Dan Brown and the “Da Vinci Code”.
It was actually the Muslims in Kenya who got the movie banned because they said it was not right. That is quite embarrassing.
Imagine saying that Mohammed (May peace be upon him) slept with a prostitute and had a child with her. Fatwas and Jihad instantly. Ask Salmon Rushdie. Or the Danish cartoonist.
Anyway, my point about the Hindus is that historically they have not been aggressive. Or if they have, it was reciprocal aggression.
I am getting as longwinded as my father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CE<br />
Howzit bru,<br />
Yes I did forget the Hindus.<br />
I think it could be because in history we have had the crusades by the Christians and Jihad’s against the Infidel. Then the Palestine/Israel<br />
war.<br />
Some Christians call Osama bin Laden a terrorist. To millions he is a hero.<br />
Muslims all hate Dubya, ) although some will deny it) will not eat Kentucky or Macdonalds even it it was Halal and will not drive Hummers or any other American car.<br />
Muslims today, still protect their religion, as do the Jews.<br />
I find we as Christians have become really slapgat about ours.<br />
Many of us never go to church or even pray. When people mock our Saviour we do nothing, like with Dan Brown and the “Da Vinci Code”.<br />
It was actually the Muslims in Kenya who got the movie banned because they said it was not right. That is quite embarrassing.<br />
Imagine saying that Mohammed (May peace be upon him) slept with a prostitute and had a child with her. Fatwas and Jihad instantly. Ask Salmon Rushdie. Or the Danish cartoonist.<br />
Anyway, my point about the Hindus is that historically they have not been aggressive. Or if they have, it was reciprocal aggression.<br />
I am getting as longwinded as my father.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisdair Budd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisdair Budd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were Jewish people on both sides of Apartheid, both pro- and anti-.

and the next time you mention the prevalent racism and antisemitism in the UK, could you also mention how many punks and worknig class have sepnt their lives fighting it.

Or are you unaware of how many UK citizens have been &quot;Rocking against racism&quot; and the NF, now the BNP, for he last thirty years?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7351610.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were Jewish people on both sides of Apartheid, both pro- and anti-.</p>
<p>and the next time you mention the prevalent racism and antisemitism in the UK, could you also mention how many punks and worknig class have sepnt their lives fighting it.</p>
<p>Or are you unaware of how many UK citizens have been &#8220;Rocking against racism&#8221; and the NF, now the BNP, for he last thirty years?</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7351610.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7351610.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Marais</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2008/04/24/2087/comment-page-1/#comment-29276</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Marais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CE
Howzit bru,
Yes I did forget the Hindus.
I think it could be because in history we have had the crusades by the Christians and Jihad&#039;s against the Infidel. Then the Palestine/Israel
war.
Some Christians call Osama bin Laden a terrorist. To millions he is a hero.
Muslims all hate Dubya, ) although some will deny it) will not eat Kentucky or Macdonalds even it it was Halal and will not drive Hummers or any other American car.
Muslims today, still protect their religion, as do the Jews.
I find we as Christians have become really slapgat about ours.
Many of us never go to church or even pray. When people mock our Saviour we do nothing, like with Dan Brown and the &quot;Da Vinci Code&quot;.
It was actually the Muslims in Kenya who got the movie banned because they said it was not right. That is quite embarrassing.
Imagine saying that Mohammed (May peace be upon him) slept with a prostitute and had a child with her. Fatwas and Jihad instantly. Ask Salmon Rushdie. Or the Danish cartoonist.
Anyway, my point about the Hindus is that historically they have not been aggressive. Or if they have, it was reciprocal aggression.
I am getting as longwinded as my father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CE<br />
Howzit bru,<br />
Yes I did forget the Hindus.<br />
I think it could be because in history we have had the crusades by the Christians and Jihad&#8217;s against the Infidel. Then the Palestine/Israel<br />
war.<br />
Some Christians call Osama bin Laden a terrorist. To millions he is a hero.<br />
Muslims all hate Dubya, ) although some will deny it) will not eat Kentucky or Macdonalds even it it was Halal and will not drive Hummers or any other American car.<br />
Muslims today, still protect their religion, as do the Jews.<br />
I find we as Christians have become really slapgat about ours.<br />
Many of us never go to church or even pray. When people mock our Saviour we do nothing, like with Dan Brown and the &#8220;Da Vinci Code&#8221;.<br />
It was actually the Muslims in Kenya who got the movie banned because they said it was not right. That is quite embarrassing.<br />
Imagine saying that Mohammed (May peace be upon him) slept with a prostitute and had a child with her. Fatwas and Jihad instantly. Ask Salmon Rushdie. Or the Danish cartoonist.<br />
Anyway, my point about the Hindus is that historically they have not been aggressive. Or if they have, it was reciprocal aggression.<br />
I am getting as longwinded as my father.</p>
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