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		<title>By: Kaamajakaaya</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/crowdsauce/2008/02/07/the-business-of-free/comment-page-1/#comment-70106</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaamajakaaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Guru, what entice you to post an article. This article was extremely interesting, especially since I was searching for thoughts on this subject last Thursday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Guru, what entice you to post an article. This article was extremely interesting, especially since I was searching for thoughts on this subject last Thursday.</p>
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		<title>By: Attention: The Natural Economy of the Web &#124; Dave Duarte</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/crowdsauce/2008/02/07/the-business-of-free/comment-page-1/#comment-23900</link>
		<dc:creator>Attention: The Natural Economy of the Web &#124; Dave Duarte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the lecture, we discussed how many products and services are becoming &#8220;free&#8221;, but how our Attention can be monetized. (Also see Chris Anderson&#8217;s article, and soon to be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the lecture, we discussed how many products and services are becoming &#8220;free&#8221;, but how our Attention can be monetized. (Also see Chris Anderson&#8217;s article, and soon to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea for free (or at least cheaper) taxi and other public transport rides: besides the obvious (and already done, although not as widely as one might expect) branding of the outside of the taxi, how about taxis with blue tooth transmitters rotating through adverts (if not a screen display)? Or even taxis with wi-fi, including a/some (free access) sponsored link(s)? 

Out there perhaps, but nearly 40 million cell phones out there, and an increasing proportion are blue tooth and/or internet enabled. Add to that the fact that wireless broadband is expanding and becoming cheaper, and the fact that a lot of people probably don&#039;t have anything productive to do while sitting in a taxi (they&#039;d probably welcome the diversion), and there&#039;s definitely a business model there in the not too distant future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea for free (or at least cheaper) taxi and other public transport rides: besides the obvious (and already done, although not as widely as one might expect) branding of the outside of the taxi, how about taxis with blue tooth transmitters rotating through adverts (if not a screen display)? Or even taxis with wi-fi, including a/some (free access) sponsored link(s)? </p>
<p>Out there perhaps, but nearly 40 million cell phones out there, and an increasing proportion are blue tooth and/or internet enabled. Add to that the fact that wireless broadband is expanding and becoming cheaper, and the fact that a lot of people probably don&#8217;t have anything productive to do while sitting in a taxi (they&#8217;d probably welcome the diversion), and there&#8217;s definitely a business model there in the not too distant future.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darren: Yes, while I&#039;m all for the open-education and knowledge commons (I support it actively in fact), the university that I teach at doesn&#039;t allow people to reference Wikipedia in research due to the fluctuating state of the information on it. Eish! It&#039;s all these options, not all equal in quality, that are paralysing us! Thanks for your comments and continue to OUTthink:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darren: Yes, while I&#8217;m all for the open-education and knowledge commons (I support it actively in fact), the university that I teach at doesn&#8217;t allow people to reference Wikipedia in research due to the fluctuating state of the information on it. Eish! It&#8217;s all these options, not all equal in quality, that are paralysing us! Thanks for your comments and continue to OUTthink:)</p>
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		<title>By: What could be better than Free? &#124; Huddlemind Labs</title>
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		<dc:creator>What could be better than Free? &#124; Huddlemind Labs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sparked the conversation, then Dave did a post on Thought Leader : The Business of Free &amp; I did a follow up on the &#8220;Freemium&#8221; model. We&#8217;re fascinated by free at the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sparked the conversation, then Dave did a post on Thought Leader : The Business of Free &amp; I did a follow up on the &#8220;Freemium&#8221; model. We&#8217;re fascinated by free at the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, very good point you make here, one that is increasingly becoming a major social problem [and creating its own economic problems along with that]. 

The flip-side is open-source collaboration, where people give [without an alterior profit motive, quite often] their time and resources to create something beneficial to society. As you well know, education is starting to see the benefits of this, as are other public-interest institutions.

It&#039;s quite strange how &#039;free&#039; can potentially be both our worst enemy and our greatest ally. I suppose it&#039;s just how we use it that will decide which one it eventually plays out as.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, very good point you make here, one that is increasingly becoming a major social problem [and creating its own economic problems along with that]. </p>
<p>The flip-side is open-source collaboration, where people give [without an alterior profit motive, quite often] their time and resources to create something beneficial to society. As you well know, education is starting to see the benefits of this, as are other public-interest institutions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite strange how &#8216;free&#8217; can potentially be both our worst enemy and our greatest ally. I suppose it&#8217;s just how we use it that will decide which one it eventually plays out as.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all thanks for posting these comments.

@Eve and Max and Lebogang: Brilliant - I wonder what triggered us simultaneously? Great articles, I&#039;ll post my comments there directly.

@Richard Catto: 1.  In fact Tada Copy is Japanese, not Chinese. 
2. The fact that people demand attention all the time, and now have more and better means to do so is exactly why this is such an important issue - it&#039;s not going away, and it&#039;s getting more problematic.

3. Just because you haven&#039;t thought of a way to make a particular service free, it doesn&#039;t mean that it can&#039;t or won&#039;t happen. I mentioned some services that don&#039;t exist yet in order to stimulate thought around future scenarios. And, yes, in fact I could see a advertising or e-commerce subsidizing transport to some extent. 

@South African: You&#039;re right, value needs to be transferred at some point. However, the money spent on retail advertising in the US has been larger than their profits for the last few years. There are people theorizing that the gold standard of currency (which has become meaningless), is being replaced by an attention standard. It&#039;s, of course, more complex than that, but I hope to elaborate on it in subsequent posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all thanks for posting these comments.</p>
<p>@Eve and Max and Lebogang: Brilliant &#8211; I wonder what triggered us simultaneously? Great articles, I&#8217;ll post my comments there directly.</p>
<p>@Richard Catto: 1.  In fact Tada Copy is Japanese, not Chinese.<br />
2. The fact that people demand attention all the time, and now have more and better means to do so is exactly why this is such an important issue &#8211; it&#8217;s not going away, and it&#8217;s getting more problematic.</p>
<p>3. Just because you haven&#8217;t thought of a way to make a particular service free, it doesn&#8217;t mean that it can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t happen. I mentioned some services that don&#8217;t exist yet in order to stimulate thought around future scenarios. And, yes, in fact I could see a advertising or e-commerce subsidizing transport to some extent. </p>
<p>@South African: You&#8217;re right, value needs to be transferred at some point. However, the money spent on retail advertising in the US has been larger than their profits for the last few years. There are people theorizing that the gold standard of currency (which has become meaningless), is being replaced by an attention standard. It&#8217;s, of course, more complex than that, but I hope to elaborate on it in subsequent posts.</p>
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		<title>By: South African</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/crowdsauce/2008/02/07/the-business-of-free/comment-page-1/#comment-15306</link>
		<dc:creator>South African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But not everything can be free.  The only reason some things can be free is because they&#039;re advertising something else which has a cost, and the expected payment by the average user exceeds the cost of the free service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But not everything can be free.  The only reason some things can be free is because they&#8217;re advertising something else which has a cost, and the expected payment by the average user exceeds the cost of the free service.</p>
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		<title>By: Lebogang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lebogang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is so strange... just yesterday (no i did not write a blog on the matter) I was talking to someone at school about exactly this and the costs of these &quot;free&quot; services for which a solely money metric approach cannot fully account!!

thanks for the post(s)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is so strange&#8230; just yesterday (no i did not write a blog on the matter) I was talking to someone at school about exactly this and the costs of these &#8220;free&#8221; services for which a solely money metric approach cannot fully account!!</p>
<p>thanks for the post(s)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Catto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Catto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.tadacopy.com/ links to a Chinese language site. If it offers free photocopies, I&#039;ll have to accept your word on it.

I didn&#039;t realise you spoke Mandarin.

&lt;i&gt;If we don’t start to budget our focus, and treat attention spammers as we would thieves&lt;/i&gt;

Say what?

That sounds like nonsense. People demand attention all the time. That is not going to stop until we are all extinct.

Free phone calls, I can see because many countries already enjoy free local calls, but free taxi rides?

How would that work? Even if the vehicles were solar powered, how would the taxi company receive revenue?

Is all (future) revenue to be derived from advertising?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.tadacopy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tadacopy.com/</a> links to a Chinese language site. If it offers free photocopies, I&#8217;ll have to accept your word on it.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realise you spoke Mandarin.</p>
<p><i>If we don’t start to budget our focus, and treat attention spammers as we would thieves</i></p>
<p>Say what?</p>
<p>That sounds like nonsense. People demand attention all the time. That is not going to stop until we are all extinct.</p>
<p>Free phone calls, I can see because many countries already enjoy free local calls, but free taxi rides?</p>
<p>How would that work? Even if the vehicles were solar powered, how would the taxi company receive revenue?</p>
<p>Is all (future) revenue to be derived from advertising?</p>
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