Comments on: Zapiro, Zuma and us http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Twannie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-92351 Twannie Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:48:52 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-92351 @ C Van Der Westhuizen Christi seems hell bent on attacking Zapiro for his audacious and superlatively incisive cartoon. But of course she is unable to effectively dispute the true and obvious accuracy of the message. So she sees fit to go off at tangents that have noting to do with the very important issue at hand: i.e. the rape of the judicial system by prez. Zuma & Henchmen. Not that the scandalous rape statistics are not a very pressing issue; but to skeld at Zapiro because he uses a longstanding and good metaphor is rich. Especially so when one of the chief Henchmen, Malema practically invites use of such metaphor by his own outrageous comments about Zuma’s alleged rape victim! Please Ms Van Der Westhuizen-Zapiro’s message is not just another “Larger Political Point”. Your longwinded obfuscation will not detract from Zapiro’s expression of his misgiving about how a fundamental organ of our society is being perverted. About nothing is too strong to give expression of what is happening to our justice system; the long term implications are zilch short of dreadful. @ C Van Der Westhuizen

Christi seems hell bent on attacking Zapiro for his audacious and superlatively incisive cartoon.
But of course she is unable to effectively dispute the true and obvious accuracy of the message.

So she sees fit to go off at tangents that have noting to do with the very important issue at hand: i.e. the rape of the judicial system by prez. Zuma & Henchmen.
Not that the scandalous rape statistics are not a very pressing issue; but to skeld at Zapiro because he uses a longstanding and good metaphor is rich.
Especially so when one of the chief Henchmen, Malema practically invites use of such metaphor by his own outrageous comments about Zuma’s alleged rape victim!

Please Ms Van Der Westhuizen-Zapiro’s message is not just another “Larger Political Point”.

Your longwinded obfuscation will not detract from Zapiro’s expression of his misgiving about how a fundamental organ of our society is being perverted.
About nothing is too strong to give expression of what is happening to our justice system; the long term implications are zilch short of dreadful.

]]> By: pete ess http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-57111 pete ess Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:27:20 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-57111 His: One picture. Yours: A thousand words. You don't even get the silver medal. Methinks you protest too much, Christi. Felt shocked? Felt outraged? Felt violated? The cartoon did JUST what it should have. Thank you Zapiro. Anyone who wants to draw a cartoon depicting Zuma thwarting Justice in a gender-sensitive, non-threatening way which does not even offend the politician himself, is marvelously free to do so. Viva free speech, viva. PS: A gun at your temple is not as bad as unbuttoning your fly!?! George Bush has desensitised you to murder!?! His: One picture. Yours: A thousand words.
You don’t even get the silver medal.

Methinks you protest too much, Christi. Felt shocked? Felt outraged? Felt violated? The cartoon did JUST what it should have. Thank you Zapiro.

Anyone who wants to draw a cartoon depicting Zuma thwarting Justice in a gender-sensitive, non-threatening way which does not even offend the politician himself, is marvelously free to do so. Viva free speech, viva.

PS: A gun at your temple is not as bad as unbuttoning your fly!?! George Bush has desensitised you to murder!?!

]]> By: ash http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-55790 ash Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:19:12 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-55790 interesting article. as a women, i too cringed at the first glance of that cartoon. interesting article. as a women, i too cringed at the first glance of that cartoon.

]]> By: Dawn http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-55286 Dawn Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:53:33 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-55286 Sorry, the piece was too long, and too airy-fairy for me. As a woman I think Zapiro got it spot on. I commend the Sunday Times and the M&G for the space given to the cartoon, and the follow up (or am I the only one who saw the reference to Mbeki "raping" justice? Without people like Zapiro keeping us aware of the dangers, we may became complacent and like Zim. Sorry, the piece was too long, and too airy-fairy for me. As a woman I think Zapiro got it spot on. I commend the Sunday Times and the M&G for the space given to the cartoon, and the follow up (or am I the only one who saw the reference to Mbeki “raping” justice? Without people like Zapiro keeping us aware of the dangers, we may became complacent and like Zim.

]]> By: andrek http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-54921 andrek Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:17:55 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-54921 Comment and expand if you must, but tell us something we don't know. Above all, don't indulge in narrative fallacies; otherwise you've not applied your mind. Comment and expand if you must, but tell us something we don’t know. Above all, don’t indulge in narrative fallacies; otherwise you’ve not applied your mind.

]]> By: Thought Leader » Rod MacKenzie » Zapiro and the cliché of violence http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-54908 Thought Leader » Rod MacKenzie » Zapiro and the cliché of violence Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:54:06 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-54908 [...] I have read, many other woman commentators on Thought Leader would agree with my wife. Some, like Christi van der Westhuizen, read their own agenda into the cartoon and refuse to this day to take responsibility for her [...] [...] I have read, many other woman commentators on Thought Leader would agree with my wife. Some, like Christi van der Westhuizen, read their own agenda into the cartoon and refuse to this day to take responsibility for her [...]

]]> By: Thought Leader » Christi van der Westhuizen » Zapiro, Zuma and us – Part 2. Using rape against rape http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-54897 Thought Leader » Christi van der Westhuizen » Zapiro, Zuma and us – Part 2. Using rape against rape Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:00:09 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-54897 [...] from 'White Power'How whites won the economy(Excerpt from 'White Power')IPS Trade Site more posts Zapiro, Zuma and us With his latest Sunday Times cartoon, Zapiro has ventured where angels should fear to tread. I am [...] [...] from ‘White Power’How whites won the economy(Excerpt from ‘White Power’)IPS Trade Site more posts Zapiro, Zuma and us With his latest Sunday Times cartoon, Zapiro has ventured where angels should fear to tread. I am [...]

]]> By: Haydn http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-54759 Haydn Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:52:46 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-54759 The metaphor is of something beautiful that deserves protection. It's perfect. The gynocentrism of your brand of feminism is unpleasant. I didn't read very far. The metaphor is of something beautiful that deserves protection. It’s perfect.

The gynocentrism of your brand of feminism is unpleasant. I didn’t read very far.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-54710 Lisa Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:58:56 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-54710 So we all have to wait until the country (or the world?) is rid of actual rapes before we can use rape as a metaphore in satire? And, as pointed out by Gustav Betram, how does Zapiro's depiction of a great injustice as rape imply that rape is not a great injustice? Also, is the subject/agency argument really convincing? The British Empire certainly seemed to demonstrate quite a lot of 'agency', not the least through colonising large parts of the world, including SA.. How does it follow, on the Argument from Othering, from the premise that the Woman is sometimes used as the object of representation, that (conclusion) women are victimised? So we all have to wait until the country (or the world?) is rid of actual rapes before we can use rape as a metaphore in satire?

And, as pointed out by Gustav Betram, how does Zapiro’s depiction of a great injustice as rape imply that rape is not a great injustice?

Also, is the subject/agency argument really convincing? The British Empire certainly seemed to demonstrate quite a lot of ‘agency’, not the least through colonising large parts of the world, including SA..

How does it follow, on the Argument from Othering, from the premise that the Woman is sometimes used as the object of representation, that (conclusion) women are victimised?

]]> By: Craig http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/comment-page-2/#comment-54528 Craig Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:34:22 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/christivanderwesthuizen/2008/09/10/zapiro-zuma-and-us/#comment-54528 Too true - Zaprio should have drawn Justice as a young boy - that would have made it ok. Too true – Zaprio should have drawn Justice as a young boy – that would have made it ok.

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