Even during Apartheid, the evil white supremacist Afrikaners who had house servants still had to work at their jobs. They may have been better paid… I don’t know the exact details since I didn’t grow up during Apartheid, but that they had to work to rise up out of tremendous poverty following the Anglo-boer war is a fact.

- If affirmative action type policies get taken too far, incompetent and stupid people will get promoted over competent and smart people. This is not a race issue. It doesn’t matter who benefits from affirmative action. Some affirmative action is justified, but take it too far and the beneficiaries inevitably will be stupider and more incompetent… and that will be very evident.

- Groups of people do have a right to self-determination (I believe that for Israel and for Afrikaners alike). Afrikaners will very probably not have much say in the government because they are generally viewed as criminals who should be made to pay for their crimes. The fundamental problem is not self-determination, it’s the linking of race to culture. I will openly accept a black or Indian Afrikaner, should we redefine “Afrikanerdom” on the non-oppressive, positive qualities that Afrikaners possess (they do possess them).

This issue of the relationship between race and culture is actually very complex. It isn’t terrible to want to be with people like you, but to tie that to race and to exploit others on the basis of their supposed racial inferiority is wrong. Many countries are free, open, and monocultural.

I simply cannot believe this absolute assault on the Afrikaner. You are truly short sighted and irresponsible.
I can only hope that your reasoning and process of thought that gave birth to this disgusting “brain fart” was drug-induced. Here are some more topics you can get stuck into for your next Joke:
1. Why all Germans will allways hate Jews.
2. Can anyone persuade an American Citizen not to support the next Nuclear attack?
3. Failing medical scientist cannot help Australian men: They will allways prefer sheep!

Your article is rediculous, demeaning and racist. I need to take a shower…and brush my teeth. Seeing intelligent people taking part in this and some endorsing it makes me feel dirty and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

P.S. ALL Nigerians are drug dealers…ALL 150 million of them.

Pro 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.

Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Eze 30:6 Thus saith the LORD; They also that uphold Egypt shall fall; and the pride of her power shall come down: from the tower of Syene shall they fall in it by the sword, saith the Lord GOD.

@ Blaspheming Antichrist Christi

Rev 13:4 And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Regarding your aboutface and agreeing with dutoit and the difficulties whites face in tenders, once again my respects to you for admitting you were not originally correct.

I checked with one co. and found that they select the 4 categories out of the 7, so at least one co. applies the BEE policy more strictly than specified in the DTI policy doc.
So maybe its tougher than I thought.
I’ll check with two other companies and enquire how they apply the QSE BEE criteria.

If you have a really good idea that will result in jobs created or economic value added, you could contact the guys listed in the links at
http://www.dst.gov.za/focus-areas/focus-areas/innovation
Govt. funds are available as grants (25% – 100%) and white owned companies can and do get grant awards.

For supplying “me too” products, like PCs to a govt. department, I personally don’t think an all white co. would stand much of a chance of winning a contract.

Have not read the document, made an attempt…will later

“You won’t in general be able to supply any services on a tender basis to govt, or Eskom, or Telkom, because they all give preference to suppliers who meet BEE requirements.”

There is still too much red tape and interference for most decent entrepreneurs who are not desperate to stay in one place. When thinking of quitting your job and spending the next 2 years working 10-16 hour days to get your business/es up and running, all this interference doesn’t leave a sweet taste in your mouth.

Opening an IT company (something I have done) and not being able to tender for government contracts is a huge setback.
Also, you will have greater difficulty supplying services/products to companies who tender to government as they have a BEE rating, which can be boosted by only dealing with BEE companies. Nowadays, it is extremely competitive, with top scoring BEE companies (black, female owned) winning most contracts in competitive segments of IT.

Even if I do start up a new venture, it is simply a matter of time before I have to change my BEE credentials in order to do business with these companies. This is what worries me. I do not want to spend my time in SA building up business and capital, because it doesn’t feel safe. How long before you have to sell most of your shares in your company?

I can’t compete freely anywhere anymore as a neither jobseeker nor can I complete freely even as a small business owner (FREELY AND FAIRLY) and what is to say that the rules won’t become more restrictive. That is why I’m saying, the BEE approach at the moment is too restrictive for small business. I am involved with government tenders so I know more or less how it works. I also own small businesses, so I know this is possible. But when one thinks of the future and how you want to live your life, it is a bit restrictive in this country for me at the moment. It angers me that I have to put up with discrimination like this when I just want to get on with things. I will help disadvantaged people, but stop interfering and penalising me for having a white skin. If I am let alone I will contribute, but helping somebody when being forced to is not the same. Then I will rather do it in a different country where it feels like I am doing it because it is the right thing to do instead of being forced to.

Oldfox, you cannot deny it…it doesn’t look good for somebody in his late twenties that are wondering where he should commit. How long until we as whites have even fewer rights. I have no problem with helping the poor, but when there is a gun held to my head I am not helping, I am being forced against my will.