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		<title>By: Jarred Cinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred Cinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John, I actually agree with you to some extent. I have had various comments to that effect offline and I do think it&#039;s limiting to my audience.

I have to say, personally, that I find the whole concept of &quot;offensive language&quot; bizarre -- maybe a blog post on that soon. But since that&#039;s a reality, I will certainly keep that in mind in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John, I actually agree with you to some extent. I have had various comments to that effect offline and I do think it&#8217;s limiting to my audience.</p>
<p>I have to say, personally, that I find the whole concept of &#8220;offensive language&#8221; bizarre &#8212; maybe a blog post on that soon. But since that&#8217;s a reality, I will certainly keep that in mind in future.</p>
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		<title>By: economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote of the week:
&quot;Electricity cuts ‘will not hurt Gauteng’
Business Day - 2 hours ago
GAUTENG’s economy would continue to grow at its projected rate despite power failures that have disrupted various industries’ operations because of Eskom load shedding, finance and economic affairs MEC Paul Mashatile said yesterday.&quot;
Do you believe him? Trust me, I&#039;m a comrade? Like we believed Mbeki over HIV, crime and corruption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote of the week:<br />
&#8220;Electricity cuts ‘will not hurt Gauteng’<br />
Business Day &#8211; 2 hours ago<br />
GAUTENG’s economy would continue to grow at its projected rate despite power failures that have disrupted various industries’ operations because of Eskom load shedding, finance and economic affairs MEC Paul Mashatile said yesterday.&#8221;<br />
Do you believe him? Trust me, I&#8217;m a comrade? Like we believed Mbeki over HIV, crime and corruption?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good to air one&#039;s feelings about the power cuts or whatever, but please spare a thought for those who do not necessarily want or like the unecessary profanities that belong in the gutter. Surely, in the same way as we expect to see the alternative to power cuts, namely, the efficient maintenance and running of our power plants, we similarly should have the right to expect opinions to be expressed in decent language, that we can feel free to let our children and grandparents read. It would be good to feel that one can refer others to read these valuable comments, but one is precluded from doing so because of the unnecessary and distasteful profanities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to air one&#8217;s feelings about the power cuts or whatever, but please spare a thought for those who do not necessarily want or like the unecessary profanities that belong in the gutter. Surely, in the same way as we expect to see the alternative to power cuts, namely, the efficient maintenance and running of our power plants, we similarly should have the right to expect opinions to be expressed in decent language, that we can feel free to let our children and grandparents read. It would be good to feel that one can refer others to read these valuable comments, but one is precluded from doing so because of the unnecessary and distasteful profanities.</p>
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		<title>By: Consulting Engineer in the Water Sector</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/burningpaper/2008/01/18/tired-of-this-shit/comment-page-1/#comment-12202</link>
		<dc:creator>Consulting Engineer in the Water Sector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jose

You are correct. Power is supplied to other countries according to a contract and assurance agreements. It cannot simply be switched off. The same applies to industry. 

The problem is that agreements are entered into without thought of the consequences due to incompetence or political manipulation. That is the only reason for Mbeki propping up his in-laws in Zim. Certainly he is not stopping collapse or illegal immigration.

SA imports less than it exports, but the issue is our commitments.

The government load sheds the people of SA as they believe they have no contract with us. Hopefully, when the time comes to renew the contract at election time, the people do not sign the ballot in the box next to ANC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jose</p>
<p>You are correct. Power is supplied to other countries according to a contract and assurance agreements. It cannot simply be switched off. The same applies to industry. </p>
<p>The problem is that agreements are entered into without thought of the consequences due to incompetence or political manipulation. That is the only reason for Mbeki propping up his in-laws in Zim. Certainly he is not stopping collapse or illegal immigration.</p>
<p>SA imports less than it exports, but the issue is our commitments.</p>
<p>The government load sheds the people of SA as they believe they have no contract with us. Hopefully, when the time comes to renew the contract at election time, the people do not sign the ballot in the box next to ANC.</p>
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		<title>By: Kreef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kreef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon ,
 Sorry mate but the lights have been off for some time now .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon ,<br />
 Sorry mate but the lights have been off for some time now .</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vast majority of our people VOTED for the ruling regime who then &quot;transformed&quot; the monopoly parastatals by having those key performance-bonus-earning executive decisionmakers hired by their colour rather than competence.

You make your bed? You sleep in it.

Switch off the lights before nodding off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vast majority of our people VOTED for the ruling regime who then &#8220;transformed&#8221; the monopoly parastatals by having those key performance-bonus-earning executive decisionmakers hired by their colour rather than competence.</p>
<p>You make your bed? You sleep in it.</p>
<p>Switch off the lights before nodding off.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Barreira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose Barreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>««Load-shed their asses from here to Cairo. Sorry for you, but you are not our first priority.»»
Very good idea ! I even think in that case that Mozambique, Zambia and Congo should do the same: No sales to South Africa while there are load-sheds in these countries.
Remember: Maputo citizens pay higher fares for Mozambique&#039;s Cahora Bassa power just because a deal was made that RSA would supply that region instead of a straight line from the dam (...)
&quot;First priority&quot; ???? Ok, Then maybe it&#039;s time Mozambique cuts direct power to RSA, and only does it after serving Maputo in first place...
Cool down, and work for alternatives. Later on you will be able to put the invoice at election time... if you still remember all this ...!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>««Load-shed their asses from here to Cairo. Sorry for you, but you are not our first priority.»»<br />
Very good idea ! I even think in that case that Mozambique, Zambia and Congo should do the same: No sales to South Africa while there are load-sheds in these countries.<br />
Remember: Maputo citizens pay higher fares for Mozambique&#8217;s Cahora Bassa power just because a deal was made that RSA would supply that region instead of a straight line from the dam (&#8230;)<br />
&#8220;First priority&#8221; ???? Ok, Then maybe it&#8217;s time Mozambique cuts direct power to RSA, and only does it after serving Maputo in first place&#8230;<br />
Cool down, and work for alternatives. Later on you will be able to put the invoice at election time&#8230; if you still remember all this &#8230;!!</p>
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		<title>By: Consulting Engineer in the Water Sector</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/burningpaper/2008/01/18/tired-of-this-shit/comment-page-1/#comment-12119</link>
		<dc:creator>Consulting Engineer in the Water Sector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Want someone to blame? Blame Meneer Mbeki and his ANC cronies. Eskom was prevented from building a new plant from 1998 onwards by the ANC. A Cabinet Memo in 2001 said ESKOM is not allowed to build a new plant for the domestic market. This after all the warnings the government recieved from ESKOM. 

ANC price regulation and red tape, and incompetetence keep the private sector out of the market. Who will invest and be told what price to sell his product at? And also experience the &#039;culture of non-payment for services.

To top it off, Affirmative action and political appointees has resulted in top slots being filled by those not qualified or experienced to fill them, and a mass exodus of qualified skilled staff.

Then of course there is the by-product of the fastest growing sector of the economy in the new South Africa: crime and cable theft. 

2. Turn it off: Yes turn off the power. Lets start in the suburbs where the ANC officials who made these disasterous decisions live. They never suffer load shedding. Let them experience the consequences of their actions. Better yet, let them resign as any other government would if such a fiasco occurred in the western world. If only we could load shed ourselves of the incompetents that are never called to account.

Also lets cut off those that are not paying for it.

3. Other power-generation options: Most other alternatives are not economically viable due to ANC price regulation.

4. Stop selling our power: About 20 000 Gw-h are produced each month, of which 1600 Gw-h is consumed within power stations and 1200 Gw-h exported to other countries. Selling implies the party pays for it. I don’t have info on the tariffs, or whether Mbeki’s in-law Mugabe is even paying. But Zim was cut off by Mozamqique for non payment, so i doubt they are paying. In return for this Ubuntu Mugabe sends us his people to beg,steal and take jobs, as part of his planned land invasions. 

It that is not enough, the ANC also send our fuel to Zimbabwe, so SA fuel can be bought in Zim much cheaper than in SA. 

After all, you need fuel and electricity power to efficiently control riots by the hungry.

5. Split off the industrial grid: About 45% of all energy consumed in South Africa is used by the manufacturing sector, 20% by the mining sector, 10% by the commercial sector, and 20% by the residential sector, which would include municipalities. Industry cannot have a seperate grid as electricity generation must be near the source of fuel: mainly coal. That limits plants to the Witbank, Ellisras and Natal coalfields mainly. Cut off these main consumers and the revenues they generate would collapse. Not only that, investor confidence would collapse.

Its enough that investors have to contend with a future president charged with corruption, fraud, racketeering and money laundering, a Chief of Police involved in crime syndicates, BEE laws that force them to hand over huge chucks of their companies, high tax rates, declining skills base and massive crime. Must they also have to face having their power being cut off without notice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Want someone to blame? Blame Meneer Mbeki and his ANC cronies. Eskom was prevented from building a new plant from 1998 onwards by the ANC. A Cabinet Memo in 2001 said ESKOM is not allowed to build a new plant for the domestic market. This after all the warnings the government recieved from ESKOM. </p>
<p>ANC price regulation and red tape, and incompetetence keep the private sector out of the market. Who will invest and be told what price to sell his product at? And also experience the &#8216;culture of non-payment for services.</p>
<p>To top it off, Affirmative action and political appointees has resulted in top slots being filled by those not qualified or experienced to fill them, and a mass exodus of qualified skilled staff.</p>
<p>Then of course there is the by-product of the fastest growing sector of the economy in the new South Africa: crime and cable theft. </p>
<p>2. Turn it off: Yes turn off the power. Lets start in the suburbs where the ANC officials who made these disasterous decisions live. They never suffer load shedding. Let them experience the consequences of their actions. Better yet, let them resign as any other government would if such a fiasco occurred in the western world. If only we could load shed ourselves of the incompetents that are never called to account.</p>
<p>Also lets cut off those that are not paying for it.</p>
<p>3. Other power-generation options: Most other alternatives are not economically viable due to ANC price regulation.</p>
<p>4. Stop selling our power: About 20 000 Gw-h are produced each month, of which 1600 Gw-h is consumed within power stations and 1200 Gw-h exported to other countries. Selling implies the party pays for it. I don’t have info on the tariffs, or whether Mbeki’s in-law Mugabe is even paying. But Zim was cut off by Mozamqique for non payment, so i doubt they are paying. In return for this Ubuntu Mugabe sends us his people to beg,steal and take jobs, as part of his planned land invasions. </p>
<p>It that is not enough, the ANC also send our fuel to Zimbabwe, so SA fuel can be bought in Zim much cheaper than in SA. </p>
<p>After all, you need fuel and electricity power to efficiently control riots by the hungry.</p>
<p>5. Split off the industrial grid: About 45% of all energy consumed in South Africa is used by the manufacturing sector, 20% by the mining sector, 10% by the commercial sector, and 20% by the residential sector, which would include municipalities. Industry cannot have a seperate grid as electricity generation must be near the source of fuel: mainly coal. That limits plants to the Witbank, Ellisras and Natal coalfields mainly. Cut off these main consumers and the revenues they generate would collapse. Not only that, investor confidence would collapse.</p>
<p>Its enough that investors have to contend with a future president charged with corruption, fraud, racketeering and money laundering, a Chief of Police involved in crime syndicates, BEE laws that force them to hand over huge chucks of their companies, high tax rates, declining skills base and massive crime. Must they also have to face having their power being cut off without notice?</p>
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		<title>By: Kreef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kreef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarred ,
 Is the Eskom crisis not only the first of many transformation / elaborate BEE schemes to kick in that are now making their effects felt .
 Sorry but the whole blame it on the whites and apartheid argument put forward by some here is starting to wear thin .
 Will it be wishful thinking to expect those in power to start putting SA before race and loyalty to the party in every single thing they do .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarred ,<br />
 Is the Eskom crisis not only the first of many transformation / elaborate BEE schemes to kick in that are now making their effects felt .<br />
 Sorry but the whole blame it on the whites and apartheid argument put forward by some here is starting to wear thin .<br />
 Will it be wishful thinking to expect those in power to start putting SA before race and loyalty to the party in every single thing they do .</p>
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		<title>By: Expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muzie
Your response is so typical of those who blame those of us who have left before even asking what motivated us. In my immediate family - three incidents of violent crime in three years; no employment prospects despite the fact that my partner and I are both post-graduates with enormous experience; carefully considered empirical evidence about the history of post-colonial Africa in the last 60 years and on balance the outcome has been dismal to disastrous; the 99% likelihood of the economy screeching to a halt because it has no power; living under a government that has no will to acknowledge or address serious social problems like shoddy education, declining healthcare, HIV, crime, child abuse, human rights abuses....I could go on forever.
Your comment about taking the easy road is typical of the kind of misinformed comment made by those who think that it is an easy choice - we have left family and friends behind whose welfare is extremely important to us. But I have lived through this before - having to leave a country that was disintegrating into chaos - and we had no safety net. The impact on my family was devastating. Our decision to leave this time was as much an act of selflessness as it was for personal reasons. My partner and I want to be in a position to provide a haven for our family if/when they have to leave - and not have to endure what I did the first time around.
Contrary to popular belief, those of us who leave are not doing so because we are traitors or just don&#039;t have any balls. No - and perhaps you can ask first before so you so self-righteously condemn emigrants - we love South Africa, but whatever personal and professional sacrifices we would have had to continue making, there is no solution to the situation in the country unless 40-million people all think the same way. And they don&#039;t: the reality is that if you are white (and increasingly Aisan) in Africa, your time is up. Show me a single case of how a determined minority made any difference in Africa? South Africans have been talking about, and presenting solutions to Government for the last 15 years - every time the door has been rudely slammed in the faces of businesses and NGOs who wanted to develop job creation programmes, HIV/TB treatment programmes, effective policing and crime prevention policies, and so on. So don&#039;t preach to me about finding solutions to the problems at hand - I have paid my dues, as has my family - and there is nothing more to be done. At least where I am now my tax pays for constant power supply, effective policing, great public transport and one of the best public healthcare systems to be found anywhere.
And I know that if/when there is even the vaguest gint of a scandal, politicians in my adopted country step down because it is the right thing to do - they don&#039;t cry &#039;racism&#039; because someone dared criticise theft, corruption and fraud.
Most important, I have a &#039;voice&#039;, and it is heard, because my new home understands that democracy about the people and not the leadership. In my new home, I AM able to make a difference.
I hope that your and your ilk have someone in another country to bail you out when you find that living in Africa is untenable - your children are all unemployed (Malawi), your &#039;tribe&#039; has been slaughtered by crazed machete-wielding hooligans (Rwanda), you can&#039;t buy any food anywhere (Zim), riots shut your city down (Kenya) and half your annual income finds its way into the secret Swiss bank account of the ruling poltical party while children starve to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muzie<br />
Your response is so typical of those who blame those of us who have left before even asking what motivated us. In my immediate family &#8211; three incidents of violent crime in three years; no employment prospects despite the fact that my partner and I are both post-graduates with enormous experience; carefully considered empirical evidence about the history of post-colonial Africa in the last 60 years and on balance the outcome has been dismal to disastrous; the 99% likelihood of the economy screeching to a halt because it has no power; living under a government that has no will to acknowledge or address serious social problems like shoddy education, declining healthcare, HIV, crime, child abuse, human rights abuses&#8230;.I could go on forever.<br />
Your comment about taking the easy road is typical of the kind of misinformed comment made by those who think that it is an easy choice &#8211; we have left family and friends behind whose welfare is extremely important to us. But I have lived through this before &#8211; having to leave a country that was disintegrating into chaos &#8211; and we had no safety net. The impact on my family was devastating. Our decision to leave this time was as much an act of selflessness as it was for personal reasons. My partner and I want to be in a position to provide a haven for our family if/when they have to leave &#8211; and not have to endure what I did the first time around.<br />
Contrary to popular belief, those of us who leave are not doing so because we are traitors or just don&#8217;t have any balls. No &#8211; and perhaps you can ask first before so you so self-righteously condemn emigrants &#8211; we love South Africa, but whatever personal and professional sacrifices we would have had to continue making, there is no solution to the situation in the country unless 40-million people all think the same way. And they don&#8217;t: the reality is that if you are white (and increasingly Aisan) in Africa, your time is up. Show me a single case of how a determined minority made any difference in Africa? South Africans have been talking about, and presenting solutions to Government for the last 15 years &#8211; every time the door has been rudely slammed in the faces of businesses and NGOs who wanted to develop job creation programmes, HIV/TB treatment programmes, effective policing and crime prevention policies, and so on. So don&#8217;t preach to me about finding solutions to the problems at hand &#8211; I have paid my dues, as has my family &#8211; and there is nothing more to be done. At least where I am now my tax pays for constant power supply, effective policing, great public transport and one of the best public healthcare systems to be found anywhere.<br />
And I know that if/when there is even the vaguest gint of a scandal, politicians in my adopted country step down because it is the right thing to do &#8211; they don&#8217;t cry &#8216;racism&#8217; because someone dared criticise theft, corruption and fraud.<br />
Most important, I have a &#8216;voice&#8217;, and it is heard, because my new home understands that democracy about the people and not the leadership. In my new home, I AM able to make a difference.<br />
I hope that your and your ilk have someone in another country to bail you out when you find that living in Africa is untenable &#8211; your children are all unemployed (Malawi), your &#8216;tribe&#8217; has been slaughtered by crazed machete-wielding hooligans (Rwanda), you can&#8217;t buy any food anywhere (Zim), riots shut your city down (Kenya) and half your annual income finds its way into the secret Swiss bank account of the ruling poltical party while children starve to death.</p>
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