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		<title>By: MarcK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarcK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Obesity is caused by over-eating.”

Several disagree with that statement.  The contrary statement is, “overeating is *caused* by obesity”.  Obesity is associated with overeating; however, it’s a fallacy to state that is the cause.  Applying this theory to starvation diets (which are on an extreme end of the diet spectrum) of those that experienced in a concentration camp has little merit; due to biological limitations we have (and for everything else that exists).


“Fat = Eat + Lazy”

Replacing that equation with the energy-balance equation…

energy store = energy input + energy expenditure

…equates to a more standardized one.  It’s the relationship (or lack of) between energy input and energy expenditure that are controversial.  Are they dependent or independent of each other?  In other words, if you increase or decrease one, does it affect the other?  Studies show stronger evidence which indicates that these are dependent variables.  It’s practically impossible to account for every calorie someone consumes.  It’s also practically impossible to account for every calorie that someone expends.  If these were independent variables our weight would be sporadic, over time we would be obese or anorexic.  Also our energy input (appetite) and energy expenditure would be constantly fluctuating to find an equilibrium level.   But since we can safely assume these are dependent variables, our bodies have a tolerance that prevents these disorders.  However this isn’t a golden umbrella where you can consume any quality of food.  There is something about consuming refined carbohydrates and sugar (sucrose and fructose) that fatten people (this is at least due to the secretion of the growth hormone insulin). 

If one eliminates these carbohydrates from his or her diet, it would be no surprise that there would be a loss of adipose tissue and food cravings.  And if they consume these foods, then it would be expected that they would *overeat*, due to food cravings, which will *cause* an increase of adipose tissue. 
 
Gary Taubes mentioned about scientist incorrectly making the assumption that the cause *must* be from overeating.   And this is the same assumption that you have two made.

Reference:
“Good Calories, Bad Calories”
By: Gary Taubes
Chapter 17: Conservation of Energy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Obesity is caused by over-eating.”</p>
<p>Several disagree with that statement.  The contrary statement is, “overeating is *caused* by obesity”.  Obesity is associated with overeating; however, it’s a fallacy to state that is the cause.  Applying this theory to starvation diets (which are on an extreme end of the diet spectrum) of those that experienced in a concentration camp has little merit; due to biological limitations we have (and for everything else that exists).</p>
<p>“Fat = Eat + Lazy”</p>
<p>Replacing that equation with the energy-balance equation…</p>
<p>energy store = energy input + energy expenditure</p>
<p>…equates to a more standardized one.  It’s the relationship (or lack of) between energy input and energy expenditure that are controversial.  Are they dependent or independent of each other?  In other words, if you increase or decrease one, does it affect the other?  Studies show stronger evidence which indicates that these are dependent variables.  It’s practically impossible to account for every calorie someone consumes.  It’s also practically impossible to account for every calorie that someone expends.  If these were independent variables our weight would be sporadic, over time we would be obese or anorexic.  Also our energy input (appetite) and energy expenditure would be constantly fluctuating to find an equilibrium level.   But since we can safely assume these are dependent variables, our bodies have a tolerance that prevents these disorders.  However this isn’t a golden umbrella where you can consume any quality of food.  There is something about consuming refined carbohydrates and sugar (sucrose and fructose) that fatten people (this is at least due to the secretion of the growth hormone insulin). </p>
<p>If one eliminates these carbohydrates from his or her diet, it would be no surprise that there would be a loss of adipose tissue and food cravings.  And if they consume these foods, then it would be expected that they would *overeat*, due to food cravings, which will *cause* an increase of adipose tissue. </p>
<p>Gary Taubes mentioned about scientist incorrectly making the assumption that the cause *must* be from overeating.   And this is the same assumption that you have two made.</p>
<p>Reference:<br />
“Good Calories, Bad Calories”<br />
By: Gary Taubes<br />
Chapter 17: Conservation of Energy</p>
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		<title>By: Caligula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caligula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John Bond
Of course when you bring Fox News into the equation
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55843,00.html
you really have to remember their absolute honesty in reporting and that their integrity is well beyond reproach...

I am not lazy

I am not fat

I just roll with the flow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John Bond<br />
Of course when you bring Fox News into the equation<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55843,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55843,00.html</a><br />
you really have to remember their absolute honesty in reporting and that their integrity is well beyond reproach&#8230;</p>
<p>I am not lazy</p>
<p>I am not fat</p>
<p>I just roll with the flow</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Gibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great. People are finally wising up about the problems of obesity. Even with all the rhetoric about how fat America is. People still overlook that they are responsible for themselves.

You can only say it so many times. And if they choose to ignore the facts. There is nothing else you can do.

People are lazy in general and always looking for the easy way out. Mostly by blaming everyone but themselves. 

If they put as much effort into taking better care of themselves than beyatching about it.

There wouldn&#039;t be such a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great. People are finally wising up about the problems of obesity. Even with all the rhetoric about how fat America is. People still overlook that they are responsible for themselves.</p>
<p>You can only say it so many times. And if they choose to ignore the facts. There is nothing else you can do.</p>
<p>People are lazy in general and always looking for the easy way out. Mostly by blaming everyone but themselves. </p>
<p>If they put as much effort into taking better care of themselves than beyatching about it.</p>
<p>There wouldn&#8217;t be such a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandrake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLAME APARTHEID!!!!

or the ANC. or Zille, or Zuma.

Blame Manto and her GM-veggies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLAME APARTHEID!!!!</p>
<p>or the ANC. or Zille, or Zuma.</p>
<p>Blame Manto and her GM-veggies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandrake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 10:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reminds me of an Oprah episode. And then she told ppl to love themselves when she got fat.

Go figure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reminds me of an Oprah episode. And then she told ppl to love themselves when she got fat.</p>
<p>Go figure!</p>
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		<title>By: John Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 08:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual Bruce – Your “science” is disgustingly dishonest.

It’s a well known fact that most of the negative “research”(in quotations) on DDT was a deliberate lie. This lie has caused millions of human deaths in the 3rd world, particularly Africa. It didn’t have much negative effect on bald eagles as was claimed though.  Just Google man, just Google. For example…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55843,00.html
http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm

It even got into the top 10 as junk science or outright lies…
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/771895/top_ten_junk_science_moments_for_2006_announced_by_junksciencecom/index.html?source=r_health

And health fanatics don’t understand fats that well either. Just google. This was one of my 19450 results…
http://www.junkscience.com/feb05/transfat.htm
(Yes, I love the site JunkScience.com)

In the past, I have shown you a fraction of the research that vegetable based Omega 3, particularly flaxseed is ineffectual yet you continue to laud its benefits. (As I said before, just show me the science, not the folk-law)

In a country struggling with issues of honesty and morality, it’s disappointing to see a blog that is so blatantly dishonest. When it involves people’s health, this is also immoral and scandalous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual Bruce – Your “science” is disgustingly dishonest.</p>
<p>It’s a well known fact that most of the negative “research”(in quotations) on DDT was a deliberate lie. This lie has caused millions of human deaths in the 3rd world, particularly Africa. It didn’t have much negative effect on bald eagles as was claimed though.  Just Google man, just Google. For example…<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55843,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55843,00.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm</a></p>
<p>It even got into the top 10 as junk science or outright lies…<br />
<a href="http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/771895/top_ten_junk_science_moments_for_2006_announced_by_junksciencecom/index.html?source=r_health" rel="nofollow">http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/771895/top_ten_junk_science_moments_for_2006_announced_by_junksciencecom/index.html?source=r_health</a></p>
<p>And health fanatics don’t understand fats that well either. Just google. This was one of my 19450 results…<br />
<a href="http://www.junkscience.com/feb05/transfat.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.junkscience.com/feb05/transfat.htm</a><br />
(Yes, I love the site JunkScience.com)</p>
<p>In the past, I have shown you a fraction of the research that vegetable based Omega 3, particularly flaxseed is ineffectual yet you continue to laud its benefits. (As I said before, just show me the science, not the folk-law)</p>
<p>In a country struggling with issues of honesty and morality, it’s disappointing to see a blog that is so blatantly dishonest. When it involves people’s health, this is also immoral and scandalous.</p>
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		<title>By: ABE - WTF-has-a-point</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABE - WTF-has-a-point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 08:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our obese western culture life-styles are producing an alarming number of fat people with an unnatural relationship and sometimes obsession with food.  WTF has a point in saying how many fat people have you seen out of a concentration camp.  The formula is simple : Fat = calories in less calories out.  Bruce points out the toxicity associated with modern day mass production of food. Back to Organic food is imperative.  Not enough pressure has been put on growers/producers and distributors of food to be resposible corporate citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our obese western culture life-styles are producing an alarming number of fat people with an unnatural relationship and sometimes obsession with food.  WTF has a point in saying how many fat people have you seen out of a concentration camp.  The formula is simple : Fat = calories in less calories out.  Bruce points out the toxicity associated with modern day mass production of food. Back to Organic food is imperative.  Not enough pressure has been put on growers/producers and distributors of food to be resposible corporate citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Solo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 07:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fat = Eat + Lazy.  Simple as that.  If you eat less junk and enjoy an active lifestyle, you simply wont be fat.  Go watch any running or cycling event, and tell me how many fat people you see?  Being fat is a choice you make, all of this scientific dribble is just an excuse to face the facts:  you are lazy and have no self control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fat = Eat + Lazy.  Simple as that.  If you eat less junk and enjoy an active lifestyle, you simply wont be fat.  Go watch any running or cycling event, and tell me how many fat people you see?  Being fat is a choice you make, all of this scientific dribble is just an excuse to face the facts:  you are lazy and have no self control.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 06:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to point out to the self righteous that obesity is not confined to rich people who eat junk food. Look at obesity in Africa. A lot of African women are clinically obese and suffer for it. When it comes to diesease like hypertension and diabetes there is an increasing level of these in this population. Furthermore they are at great risk of surgical complications.
I think we all need to be a little less judgemental. The ongoing targeting of children by McDonalds is also something that must be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to point out to the self righteous that obesity is not confined to rich people who eat junk food. Look at obesity in Africa. A lot of African women are clinically obese and suffer for it. When it comes to diesease like hypertension and diabetes there is an increasing level of these in this population. Furthermore they are at great risk of surgical complications.<br />
I think we all need to be a little less judgemental. The ongoing targeting of children by McDonalds is also something that must be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And every decent gardener mixes and sprays his or her plants with organochloride phosphate poisons like good old Malathion, procured at supermarkets or garden shops?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And every decent gardener mixes and sprays his or her plants with organochloride phosphate poisons like good old Malathion, procured at supermarkets or garden shops?</p>
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