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Brendon Shields

We need to get over apartheid

This past week I have been confronted once more with the debate as to whether we should ‘’talk’’ about apartheid and by extension race relations.

First I tuned into Eusebius McKaiser’s talk show on 702 where a gentleman called in to ask whether ‘’we can stop talking about race every day’’ and McKaiser responded by asking whether callers can ‘’stop asking others to stop talking about race’’. A great radio moment indeed! Then on Sunday, social commentator Khaya Dlanga reposted his brilliant article “Why we still talk about race and apartheid” and urged his twitter followers to re-read the article.

McKaiser was of course spot on, and initially after reading the Dlanga piece I thought his argument put the matter to bed. It’s by now widely understood and agreed that white guilt is not productive and that the African struggle narrative is based on real events with real consequences felt in many ways worse today than during the period of apartheid as legislation.

But I still felt annoyed when reading Dlanga’s tweet and could for a few hours afterward not fathom why. Then I remembered a memory I had stored when contemplating my travels to Ireland.

A lesson from Ireland
The Irish as we all know have been embroiled in a conflict with Britain spanning all of 900 years. Add religion to the mix and you get a country with very sad songs and a serious drinking problem. I saw this Ireland in 1997 when after school I went to work there as a dishwasher. Fast forward to 2004 and the Irish tiger kicked in. ‘’Poor’’ Ireland a decade earlier decided to invest in quality education and by the time the micro-chip was developed the graduates in Ireland were the preferred choice for computer software manufacturers due to the country’s proximity to Europe and its relatively cheap skilled labour force.

Upon my return in 2004 the sad songs were now replaced with Westlife and hardly anyone ever mentioned ‘’the troubles’’ or the Pope. Economic prosperity helped Ireland ‘’get over’’ its issues and all this within a space of 10 years. Funny then how people can get over 900 years of collective struggle purely because you now have a decent job and can afford an Xbox.

Seeing Ireland change so completely and in such a short space of time made me realise one thing: political victimhood is the preserve of he who lacks opportunity. As Bono from the band U2 sings in the song ‘’God Part 2’’, we “glorify the past when our future dries up”.

In South Africa we have only witnessed for a brief period what a great country we can become, and in those years we seemed to want to ‘’just get on with it’’. In 1996, nothing could stop us. We were cruising. Yet the minute our opportunities diminished, we found it convenient to rather talk about apartheid and race than find ways to make the Karoo pay for all our electricity needs.

An emotional stalemate
Now tune into our radio debates you will soon realise that very few people actually listen when they ‘’debate’’ apartheid and most do not even try to understand one another’s views. Most callers are not on the radio to try and understand and maybe ‘’get over’’ apartheid. Instead some seek an apology and others defend their choices and that of their parents. Yet listen closely and you will soon realise that our apartheid debate is rooted in the frustration over our current economic situation.

We are emotional and angry because we are insecure and many of us are hungry. We look for answers in our past to try and explain our current predicament.

The debate in my opinion has reached a stalemate.

So when I say “you must get over apartheid” I hope to argue that we must defeat its current hold on our national psyche by ensuring economic liberation becomes a national obsession instead. If we manage to keep ‘’apartheid talk’’ out of it we will all quickly realise that our new enemy is the forces of global capitalism. Only those nations that are fiercely united stand any chance of getting an upper hand while the fragmented ones lose out.

Let’s fix our future first and then return to the important debate of apartheid and race when all our tummies are full? It worked in Ireland.

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    • Buffalo Soldier

      Brilliant article. Now how do we achieve full tummies? By means of neo-liberal economics, or by means of a class struggle?

    • MsMom

      Brendon,

      How lovely for you to tell us to get over apartheid, I wish you didnt and here are my reasons:
      You assume we arent over apartheid because we are economically inactive,now that is one BIG part of the reason we arent over apartheid, I mean your capitalist racist system is deliberately keeping the majority of the people out system and if it welcomes them in,its at wages they know should not be legal
      2. You somehow took it upon yourself to tell us to get over apartheid, now excuse me while I get offended but is this the case of the perpetrator telling the victim to stop whining?
      3. Im curious as to what made you come to the conclusion that we are the same as Ireland, after all 900yrs vrs 400yrs couldnt have been bad right? You are so right we should get over it -____-
      4. Maybe if White people didnt spend each and every day telling us to get over apartheid we just might, yes I mean have you considered that we would want to do things without being told? While at it tell the Jews to get over the Holocaust, I mean it did happen 60yrs ago,that is why they are still commemorating it and Israel is not prospering (using your logic here) the Nazi even got punished
      5. Lastly have you thought of telling your white capitalist racist corporate to get over apartheid and treat black people like they would would treat whites? No? Then you have no right to tell us to get over anything
      One more thing,we will get over apartheid when WE decide to, how dare you Brendon,how dare…

    • Tofolux

      eish, and this coming from a person who doesnt have any black friends. Quite diabolical to say the least

    • nany

      Its easy for you as a white person to say lets “get over apartheid” since you do not get to deal with the racist treatment that we get from white people in our daily lives.You as a white person don’t get overlooked at work just because of the color of your skin,you dont get to be insulted by racist fools calling you a baboon just because of the color of your skin.Having your head up your arse sir will not change how bad many white people treat blacks,just last weekend a black man was attacked with a gold club and called a kaffir.
      I simply refuse to get over apartheid because of fools like you who think that all that pain and the experiences that we have as blacks is nothing. even today in a democratic south Africa there are racist fools who seem not to understand that the wounds we have from apartheid and racist whites who are still stuck in that very apartheid we are supposed to get over are just too fresh.Before you tell us to get over apartheid tell your fellow whites to stop being racist,stop thinking that just because you are white the sun rises and sets in your arse.Just because we live in a democratic SA does not mean Racism is over it just means many of you are very good at hiding it but you know what you say about blacks behind closed doors,when none of us blacks are around.
      We are never getting over apartheid until we get into management positions in companies and also get to afford the fancy lives that you whites have.
      You should get over your ignorance.

    • K Mzala

      Thanks Brendon, I am moving to Ireland.

    • Buffalo Soldier

      @MsMom

      “I mean your capitalist racist system is deliberately keeping the majority of the people out system and if it welcomes them in,its at wages they know should not be legal”

      Who voted the government in that is supporting the above system? Obviously time to change the party you vote for.

    • Buffalo Soldier

      @nany

      “We are never getting over apartheid until we get into management positions in companies and also get to afford the fancy lives that you whites have.”

      The present government is in the management position of the overall economy and its crumbling fast, and para-statals like Eskom, plus government departments like education, land reform and health care, plus highly paid municipal managers where service delivery has collapsed.

      You are playing the apartheid victim because you are not managing to keep the country running smoothly.

    • Reducto

      The realities of Ireland and South Africa are incredibly different. It is only with extreme ignorance and nativity one could compare the two, and based on Ireland’s success, come to the conclusion that people must get over apartheid.

      In South Africa, you had the majority of the country squashed into tiny, economically unviable homelands. Many parents had to leave children behind as they were not allowed to have their family with them where they worked. Fifteen times more was spent on the education of a white child than a black child. The best universities were reserved for whites (with a few coloureds and Indians let in). The amount of damage done by apartheid was enormous, and we will be living with the consequences for a long time.

      Yes, the Irish were treated incredibly badly by the British. But how long ago did the worst of the worst of that happen? The Republic of Ireland has been independent for 91 years. You simply cannot expect the same kind of recovery from South Africa in such a short space of time, given the magnitude of apartheid and just how recently it occurred.

      This said, the current ANC government is quite terrible, and hasn’t done nearly as much as it could have to fix the situation. However, even if it had, the magnitude of the damage just cannot be “got over”.

      You sit in an incredibly privileged position, and dictate to others living daily with the consequences, that they must “get over it”. That is quite simply ridiculous.

    • Mr. Direct

      @Brendon

      Build, not break. Postive, not negative. Looking for silver linings before the cloud is never a bad idea. Realising potential would make a difference to the country for sure.

      What drives the debate? Well, I am not sure there is only one answer to that question, although economic issues surely appears high up on the list.

    • Juju Esq.

      “A study of South Africa’s richest 10 per cent — once almost exclusively white — found that today nearly 40 per cent are black, according to the University of Cape Town’s Unilever Institute of Strategic Marketing and RamsayMedia.

      While only 29 per cent of the absolute wealthiest South Africans are black, this jumps to 50 per cent among the “entry-level” rich, according to the survey, which classifies the wealthy newcomers as those earning $4,000 a month and up, a relatively significant amount in a still-developing country.”
      http://m.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/daily-mix/black-south-africans-moving-up-the-wealth-ladder/article2203192/?service=mobile

      PLUS: – Members of Parliament (MPs) earn 15 times more than the average black family, then still get plenty of perks, and cabinet ministers earn 33 times more than the average black family plus their perks.

    • Juju Esq.

      “Patrice Motsepe is South Africa’s third-richest person, worth $2.7 billion. He made his money in mining and is the 442nd richest person in the world. His money is the result of the purchasing of low-producing gold mine shafts in 1994, which he made profitable. Since then, he has built African Rainbow Minerals, benefiting as a result of South Africa’s Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) laws. He also owns a stake in Sanlam.”
      http://www.therichest.org/nation/richest-people-in-south-africa/

      >>>

    • Unmoved

      Brandon. You’re not a bad person at all. You’re just ignorant and have no idea what you’re trying to solve, thereby going about it in a very condescending and insensitive way to black people of South Africa. You have not learned to empathize with the oppressed, that’s why you write such ridiculous articles about black people. Instead of telling people to get over their hurts, why don’t you spend time finding out what these seemingly idiotic black people are on about when they won’t get over apartheid as quickly as you’d like them to?

    • Juju Esq.

      ANC deputy leader Cyril Ramaphosa is South Africa’s 12th most wealthy person worth R 275 million.

    • Mr. Direct

      @MsMom, Tofolux, and Nany

      Do you all want to live like this forever? Sooner or later every victim of trauma has to overcome it. Nobody can tell you when, and I do not think Brendon is trying to either.

      The fact remains that something has to give, one way or another. Apart from genocide, the only realistic alternative is to unite under a single united front, one that moves forward. If you can do that without getting over apartheid, then please feel free.

      Brendon suggests that racial tension is the main contributor to the divisions in our country, and that if this was put aside for long enough to improve the economic circumstances of the average South African, then perhaps this would make it easier to deal wih what happened.

      Evil racist capitalist apartheid-loving despots are not going to give everything up because you ask them nicely, or because they have a concience, so why wait for this to happen?

      A freind is somebody that tells you the truth, especially when it is hard to say, and even more so when it relates to a sensitive topic…

    • Momma Cyndi

      Geez Brendon! You have the tact of a raging bull elephant in a Mr Price Home glassware section. I get your message about social ills and financial security but …. hells bells ….. ‘get over it’? Sheesh dude!

      Yes, we need to ‘get over it’ but first we (as a country) need to find the building blocks to build our bridge so that we CAN ‘get over it’. At the moment, I don’t think most people even know where the river of pain is or what building blocks they need for their bridge. A stable economy with a low unemployment rate will probably be a good foundation block but it isn’t going to be the panacea for all of it.

    • mythos

      Correction please, by now, we SHOULD have got over apartheid.

      19 years on and who is keeping it alive; why, the government (even practicing selected aspects of it), and the media (it sells).

      AND, by now, we should have had a real democracy too, where we vote for everyone from the president down to the town mayor – no cadres.

    • MsMom

      @ buffalo soldier

      Your comment leaves me to assume that we shouldnt have voted for a black government or am I wrong? Yes you are so right we should have just let apartheid continue I mean life was so peachy then how dare we want change.
      This is from people who let apartheid happen, lets not forget the millions of rands that were stolen by the Nats but we wont go into that after all a white man is never wrong right? Yeah thought so -__________________________-

    • Rich

      I would say get on with life!
      To say Get Over Apartheid is somewhat insensitive…it is with us and will stay a long time. My great concern is to keep the Zealots at bay…dissatisfaction creates opportunity for all sorts. The permutations can be scary

    • Kwagga

      Simple fact, the ANC can not afford to let apartheid die, as it is of much higher value as
      political victimhood as the preserve of he who lacks opportunity, than an opportunity to become someone better despite your circumstances.
      There are many white people that did not have the same privilages as their senior counterparts but inspite of that, have become someone, because of lots of hard work, dedication, informed decisions and the will to survive.
      Back-off with your bitter attitude and pick up a pen and write an article that will make people feel better. Go and do meaningfull research and feel good about it, I did. I made people change their ideas about my line of work, because I did it in a positive way. Make this country a better place to be.

      You remind me of someone standing with their ear against the door to hear if someone might just say something bad about you. I advise a couple of self confidence classes.

    • ntozakhona

      Buffolo Soldier, Juju Esq et al. Your arguments are a repetition of apartheid Nazi propaganda we have become accustomed to, since the beginning of colonialism and even slavery the oppressor has always highlighted the lives of the neglible few amongst the oppressed to demontrate and deny that the vast majority is suffering.

      A Houdini does not mean millions bound in chains are also free, thought that is common sense!

      The difference between South Africa and Ireland, Brazil and the rest of the world is that capital ( or the private sector) is patently racist. Whereas in other countries the private sector was key to bringing about social and economic changes, in this the last bation of legislated slavery the private sector refuses to come to the party.

      Marikana and De Doorns are an indictment against a private sector that foolishly seeks to maintain the exclusion of the majority from meaningful economic participation. The government had to enact employment equity, preferential procurement, skills development etc but the racist controllers and owners of the economy have found ways of side stepping these. They have even founded the party of the bosses to distract us from meaningful change and wish us to discuss private lives and penises of presidents in talk shows.

      Apartheid might not be in the law books anymore but it is still very much in our socio-ecomomic life.

    • Jack Sparrow

      If it wasn’t so unproductive for SA to exploit racial tensions and history it would be funny to read some of the howlers dribbled out by original “Thought Leaders” and the comments. Reality is that, unless you are a racist, race has, and should have, nothing to do with a person’s ability, outcomes, education, opportunities etc and ultimately life.. Only law makes it different. This is true for to day’s SA as much as it was true for SA under the Nats, the British, then Rwanda, Bosnia, Germany etc etc. So sure, you can indulge in racist rants as much as you like but it’s like buying McDonalds every day instead of spending money on education and buying your house. The effort is a total waste. Anything other than non-racism is wrong in principal and negative for SA. History has proved this surely. You choose.

    • DeeGee

      @ Nany. “We are never getting over apartheid until we get into management positions in companies and also get to afford the fancy lives that you whites have.”

      Amazing. Just incredible. If it wasn’t for generalisations, we’d have nothing to debate, hey nany.

    • The Creator

      Juju, the Unilever Institute calculates that any black earning over R7 000 per month is a “black diamond” and therefore constitutes a wealthy black. In other words, they are reclassifying virtually all blacks who are in skilled working-class or lower-middle-class jobs as rich in order to falsify the real economic circumstances in the country.

      Which, of course, is what they are paid to do.

    • Lanele

      Brandon,

      Good observation and a well drawn conclusion! I agree that we need to start looking beyond the obvious for answers to our South African troubles. And yes, isn’t it so much easier to feel generous when you actually have the choice whether to give or not to give.

      If we really were trying to change our situation, we would all talk less and listen more. We would keep listening until a number of good positive solutions were heard.

      And then we would start doing.

    • Comrade Koos

      @ntozakhona

      “Apartheid might not be in the law books anymore but it is still very much in our socio-ecomomic life. ”

      Thanks to the political party that has ruled this country for the last 19 years. The difference is now you have a black elite in cahoots with the white elite who don’t care about the working class.

    • Buffalo Soldier

      @MsMom

      “Your comment leaves me to assume that we shouldnt have voted for a black government or am I wrong?”

      You just don’t realise that the struggle ANC that you thought you voted for in 1994 has turned into a corrupt incompetent crony capitalist party. Time you did something about that.

    • Leon

      Nany, I can fully understand your emotions about Apartheid and racism from whites. Maybe, if you are prapared to open your mind a little bit, you will now be able to understand how whites feel about farm murders and the daily senseless brutality against whites. We feel just like you.

    • fraud

      trust me, we all want to forget apartheid, especially those of us who were victims of it. But it’s kinda hard to do so when more than 90% of the challenges the poor and marginalised face on a daily basis are a direct result of apartheid. We’ll forget apartheid when its legacy has completely disappeared. As long as there are daily reminders which affect us directly, we obviously can’t forget.

    • Zeph

      Hell, what do I know? After all my cognition is all screwed up due to me practicing ‘unconscious racism’ and my voice will just be disregarded.
      This tactic is familiar; to take away a persons voice…to emasculate a certain ‘group’ (which by the way is only defined by that group; according to some). The mind boggles…

    • GrahamJ

      People will be racists as long as the ‘other’ race does things unpopular to the observer.

      This is forever. There is no cure. Rant as much as you like, but until we all behave the same, racism is here to stay.

      No ‘cultural’ excuses or past-violence excuses will justify racism. Nor apartheid nor BEE.

      Equality of behaviour is the only way forward. But sadly, I think it’s impossible.

    • Confussed

      As I’ve said elsewhere… It’s actually time to get real. Most people commenting on these blogs, regardless of race, are doing so from work, have a Matric at the very least, and go home to a meal at night. This already that puts you in a position of economic privilege in this country. For sure, there are many other factors that may not put you in a position of privilege. But let’s stop the pretentious proselytising and get honest with ourselves and each other.

      Let’s stop ‘being offended’, think of some solutions and be the change you want to see. When I read these threads, I am constantly learning from others, even when I disagree vehemently. There are some exceptionally bright minds here. Is it too high a hope that we can start being more constructive and honest?

    • ntozakhona

      Comrade Koos

      You are talking to yourself on the pretence of responding to my posts.

      I have explained why unlike in Brazil and Ireland it is a tall task to deal with socio-economic oppression. I have also highlighted some of the sabotaged efforts of the government.

      Read without blinkers and you will be illuminated.

    • Stephen

      @ Nany: Heck, we can’t stop blaming Apartheid. Lest we have to blame the government of the last 18 years for the hole we’re in. That just won’t do.

      @ Nany: good jobs, ‘like the whites’ for all I say. Just earn them, though.

      @ Juju Esq.: And Patrice happened to acquire his gold mines how?

    • Free us from the ANC

      Essentially Brendon makes a wise observation. Insensitive perhaps, but nonetheless worth consideration. Maybe ‘getting over it’ isn’t possible, but perhaps ‘suspending our angst’ is.

      After all, nobody in 1994 intended that the ANC would deliver equality, by diminishing all functional parts of the state to that of the homelands. Yes it is equality, but not as we had aspired to. A smarter and more positive approach would have been to keep what worked (education, health, policing etc) and simply expand these structures to become democratic ones with proper representation for the now expanded population. Instead, they dismantled everything (including what worked) and tried to re-brand things as ‘new South Afriacn’ versions.

      This in itself wouldn’t have been so bad, had they used merit and skill as drivers to achieve it. Instead they insisted that a loyal cadre was as useful to the health department as an actual medical professional. In that example, they finally learned this and we now have such a professional in charge. The results have improved hugely. My point is that the combination of dismantling what worked, and rebuilding it with unskilled cadres in charge, was a perfect storm. This was not what the nation expected.

      We now feel disillusioned as a people. Why? Because deep down we all want to prosper and offer opportunities for our future generations.

      Together, we are a great force for good and could make this country into a super power within a…

    • Free us from the ANC

      …..decade or two.

      The fact that we have already had a decade or two to achieve this, and have only managed a small improvement in the lives of the majority, is the source of a lot of frustration.

      Please let me make a crazy statement:

      “The white tribe wants maximum success for the black tribe just as much as the black tribe does”

      Hard to handle I know – especially for those who are intent on painting the white tribe as a bunch of crazy irrational racists. Let me explain. If we can bring 90% of S Africans into a middle class, then most of our woes will simply go away. We will stop being accused of being rich without consideration for our individual situations, we will have an economy like the Chinese or Brazilian one with the opportunities that these offer, we will truly have got rid of the income disparity between the races, we will no longer be threatened by expropriation, we will have great service delivery due to the tax collections, we will have finally been able to move away from this victim mentality which dominates our national discourse with such hold. Yes, some of these are very selfish motivations. Nonetheless though, they are valid.

      Given that we all want the same things in life, can we not work together to achieve these? Namely a successful and productive nation, in charge of it’s own destiny on the global stage. By achieving this, we could start to be able to begin the healing which is so required.

    • Nthabiseng

      “… you will soon realise that our apartheid debate is rooted in the frustration over our current economic situation.”
      This for me summed up the point of hte article and i fully agree.

    • http://N/A Roy Low

      The reason for English whites not “getting over” apartheid, is because so many of us suffered under apartheid.
      The treatment of English whites seems a closly guarded secret.
      English whites were sytematically overlooked for promotion, and many forced into early retirement.
      If you were worked for a parastatal organisation, you were targeted by the Broederbond. In fact you were treated as a 2nd class citizen

      Roll round 1994 – at last, we thought – a properly run country. Like hell !
      Ruling party mistakes;
      1. Get rid of as many whites as possible, instead of using them to remain working until retirement. They should have been training the young black youngsters.
      2. Dump the oil reserves, which were used to protect South Africans from the huge fuel prices we now get.
      3. Keep the very much apatheid VAT, brought in to boost apartheid government finances, after the Sharpville tragedy.
      The only way this country has a chance of advancing, is to scrap VAT on ALL foods, remove it from medical services, fuel, and electricity just for a start.

      Why are us whites so against the present situation ? Because we are now treated as fourth class citizens and reverse apartheid is even worse than the Broeders version.

    • Sharon K

      Please read, “Making Race and Nation’ by Anthony W Marx and then come back and emphatically tell us all that Race had nothing to do with Irelands’ easy transitions. Apartheid was designed to physically and mentally cripple a nation.

    • JK

      The world over, only black people can be told to forget their past. America keeps doing it on the issue of slavery. The Brits doing it for the millions the colonised in Africa. Here comes white South Africans dreaming that 350 years of riding on black people’s backs can just be wished away in 18 years.

      In my short time in SA, I am yet to meet a white person who will honestly say they benefited from apartheid. How do you expect blacks to forget that apartheid did hurt them?

    • MaDor

      As an outsider, I will again offer my apologies for having an opinion on something that I did not live through or experience first hand but will throw my tuppence in anyway.

      What choice do the people of South Africa have? – the past cannot be changed, Apartheid happened – it was a disgrace – it was wrong – in was inhumane – it was tragically and heartbreakingly sad for the millions of people who were subjected to and affected by its sadistic and fascist principles.

      But sadly time cannot be turned back – if there was an undo button that could be clicked to get us back to a time before Apartheid, would we not all elect to click it?

      There has to be hope for the future of SA that the drivers of intelligence, equality and humanitarianism will succeed over the acquisition of ill gotten gains and abuse of power. Sadly when I read about the corrupt and immoral behaviour of the elected leaders of SA – I fear that there will be none or very little improvement to the quality of life for the SA peoples.

      Whilst arguing and trying to work out the past, it is easy to ignore what is happening presently and what will, if allowed to continue, mean that more and more tummies will continue to remain empty for some time in the future. The past cant be changed but the way of the future could possibly be influenced now.

    • Moleboheng

      The point that white people seem not to grasp is the legacy of apartheid. You are deemed competent by virtue of the colour of your skin, and sadly this still goes on. I have been told that I am racist by a white person because I pointed out that they were being racist. I still get called kaffir at a robot by a white person and my white bosses at work still have the old mentality that if you are black you have to work three times as hard as a white person to get the same priviliges or kiss ass to get to the top. I would get over apartheid if I was not reminded everyday that I am black and worthless.

    • rm

      Apartheid has scarred us all in one way or another. To now call each other ugly and talk to each other as though individuals represent entire institutions is inappropriate, unhelpful, unfair and unwise. The truth is that we are all still hurting from a history we cannot undo. We are all living with the legacies of that history. If any of us is not guilty of what we are accusing each other of, let us throw the first stone. We have all been victims and perpetrators in one way or another. What is it about ourselves that we cannot consider our fellow citizen, just for a moment, as our equal. The inequalities we bemoan are the ones we create – black is better than white, rich is better than poor, nationalist is better than capitalist. We might know better than to insist that the world is black and white. We should create the right space for each other to get over it. From much of what I read here, we are not even there yet.

    • Momma Cyndi

      Moleboheng

      Welcome to my world.

      As a white female, I had to work 3 times as hard for 2/3 the salary all my working life. Sucks, don’t it?

      I don’t know why it is but a white skin and/or a Y chromosome gets you different treatment world wide. It isn’t fair and it isn’t logical but it is the way it is. That was why the brilliant Suffragettes were formed. Our fantastic woman’s liberation movement was hijacked and derailed (even though they made some HUGE inroads). Start a movement but learn from us – stick to the basic agenda. I’ll support you.

    • Momma Cyndi

      MaDor

      May we ask where you do come from?
      An outside (and unbiased) view is a very welcome change for me – please keep on posting

    • Mr. Direct

      The reason why I cannot succeed is “…”.

      There is nothing in-between these two inverted commas that actually completes the sentence, other than anything starting with “because I”. All that fits into the space are pathetic excuses.

      JK: Oh boo-hoo, stop whining, we all have a sob story one way or another. What happened 350 years ago does not define who I am, or what I am capable of. You want to be successful? Work at it…

      Moleboheng: need to work three times as hard? What the hell is wrong with you? If you want to succeed, these are the challenges you will face, do not be scared. Just get on with it. It is not because you are not white/black/green/purple, it is just because that is what it takes. Should you need to work as hard? What the hell difference does that make in the greater scheme of things?

      Momma Cyndi – you have worked three times as hard – not enough? Not paid as much? Shame, when you are the boss, you can change the salary scale. Until then, that is the way it is. Does it change your ambition, your drive? Most likely not. Is it fair? Of course not, but what else can you do?

      I am sooooo tired of listening to people complain. If you do not give your all, you have no reason to expect success. If it is not enough, try harder.

      If you are trying to emulate people that did not work for their success, then you have more problems than race/sex/opportunity….

    • Momma Cyndi

      Mr. Direct,

      Hence opening my own business :)
      Lousy hours, a crappy boss but at least I get to make the rules.

    • seriously

      One point i want to make clear . I am white i was born white in 1991 . I recently finished my degree and am struggling to get a job as i am white , so dont tell me we dont get rejected because of our skin colour . The second part i want to make clear I was not a part of apartheid , should children get blamed for mistakes of parents? I understand that people stil struggle because of apartheid and there are rules to help promote eqaulity , but then you can say white people have it easy , i did not pick my parents , and grew up relatively poor . I walked to school every morning since i was 7 and worked my ass off every day to get a bursary for universety as i knew my parents cant afford to pay for it . So please dont generalise . We were brought up non racist and i have as many black,indian,muslim ,christian, coloured friends as i have white friends. And you want to know the difference absolutely nothing . Yes we have a different skin colour ,culture , religion ect but it does not make a person? For me it doesnt , my point being dont generalise , and to blame everything bad on apartheid is also wrong , and if we dont like something lets scream racism before we look for another reason , its easier . Dont consider that even if you were white and sitting on your phone in the cinema for 45minutes that i woulkd ask you to stop , no your black and im white its racism . We cant change the past why dont we just try together for a better South Africa . Get tolerance for each other…

    • lela
    • lela

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