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		<title>By: Mbulawa</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-73846</link>
		<dc:creator>Mbulawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CYNIC, What have Zambians done to you? Where is the hate and bitterness coming from? Stop making false claims. The Chinese do not control neither do they account for a large chunk of Zambia&#039;s copper production. The leading producers are Vedanta, Glencore and First Quantum Minerals. Please avoid misinformed rants and disinformation. Not everyone in Zambia has AIDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CYNIC, What have Zambians done to you? Where is the hate and bitterness coming from? Stop making false claims. The Chinese do not control neither do they account for a large chunk of Zambia&#8217;s copper production. The leading producers are Vedanta, Glencore and First Quantum Minerals. Please avoid misinformed rants and disinformation. Not everyone in Zambia has AIDS.</p>
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		<title>By: Chumile Goqwana</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-32647</link>
		<dc:creator>Chumile Goqwana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not particularly into dung, so I would opt for the Chinese. Love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not particularly into dung, so I would opt for the Chinese. Love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Sotho :: Bring on the Chinese :: May :: 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-31077</link>
		<dc:creator>Sotho :: Bring on the Chinese :: May :: 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 22:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thought Leader » Brendan O&#8217;Neill A few months ago, at the height of the Christmas shopping season, Oxfam encouraged us Britons to give the gift of dung to Africa. That&#8217;s right: dung. Apparently poor African farmers like nothing better at Christmas time than to receive a bucket of shit with which they can fertilise their crops. [more&#8230;]    Posted by Rethabile Masilo&#160;~~&#160;   Social Bookmark &quot;&gt;del.icio.us &quot;&gt;Digg it &quot;&gt;Furl &quot;&gt;Yahoo MyWeb &quot;&gt;Google  Create Bookmark Links [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thought Leader » Brendan O&#8217;Neill A few months ago, at the height of the Christmas shopping season, Oxfam encouraged us Britons to give the gift of dung to Africa. That&#8217;s right: dung. Apparently poor African farmers like nothing better at Christmas time than to receive a bucket of shit with which they can fertilise their crops. [more&#8230;]    Posted by Rethabile Masilo&nbsp;~~&nbsp;   Social Bookmark &#8220;&gt;del.icio.us &#8220;&gt;Digg it &#8220;&gt;Furl &#8220;&gt;Yahoo MyWeb &#8220;&gt;Google  Create Bookmark Links [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oldfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zakmeister wrote:
&quot;No churches either, only the masses toiling away for a pittance under a brutal regime&quot;

The following is from one of the articles in the April 2007 Edition of China Today Magazine, which had a Special Report: Protestantism in China: Religious Rites and Rights www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2007/e200704/ctenglish.htm
&quot;Today China has no more than 4,000 pastors and associate pastors working for 16 million Christians in 55,000 churches and congregations.&quot; 

Another article in this special report is by a visiting American professor of Hebrew and Old Testament, who is teaching pastors in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zakmeister wrote:<br />
&#8220;No churches either, only the masses toiling away for a pittance under a brutal regime&#8221;</p>
<p>The following is from one of the articles in the April 2007 Edition of China Today Magazine, which had a Special Report: Protestantism in China: Religious Rites and Rights <a href="http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2007/e200704/ctenglish.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2007/e200704/ctenglish.htm</a><br />
&#8220;Today China has no more than 4,000 pastors and associate pastors working for 16 million Christians in 55,000 churches and congregations.&#8221; </p>
<p>Another article in this special report is by a visiting American professor of Hebrew and Old Testament, who is teaching pastors in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldfox</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-29782</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 1980 - 2005, 400 million people in China were lifted out of the $1 per day poverty level, this is 75% of all the people in the world who have been lifted out of poverty over this period.
There are many articles on this. Here is one. www.finfacts.ie/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003611.shtml

If $2 per day is used as a poverty level: &quot;the poverty rate of two dollars per day in China was as high as 64.5 percent in 1993, it had fallen to 37.8 percent by 2004&quot;. 
&quot;Along with Vietnam, China is the only other country experiencing a reduction in 2 dollars-a-day poverty rates of two percentage points or more per year on average since the early 1990s.&quot;
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/16/content_6888061.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 1980 &#8211; 2005, 400 million people in China were lifted out of the $1 per day poverty level, this is 75% of all the people in the world who have been lifted out of poverty over this period.<br />
There are many articles on this. Here is one. <a href="http://www.finfacts.ie/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003611.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.finfacts.ie/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003611.shtml</a></p>
<p>If $2 per day is used as a poverty level: &#8220;the poverty rate of two dollars per day in China was as high as 64.5 percent in 1993, it had fallen to 37.8 percent by 2004&#8243;.<br />
&#8220;Along with Vietnam, China is the only other country experiencing a reduction in 2 dollars-a-day poverty rates of two percentage points or more per year on average since the early 1990s.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/16/content_6888061.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/16/content_6888061.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oldfox</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-29781</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China Exports Poverty Reduction and Development 
Mode
Here is an extract from the article at http://en.chinagate.com.cn/news/2007-10/21/content_9098722.htm

Ms. Cynthia, from Ghana, participated in the &quot;research classes for officials on African countries&#039; poverty alleviation policies and practices&quot; organized by the International Poverty Reduction Center in China in 2006. As part of the curriculum, she visited a poverty reduction project in Menghua Village, Longsheng County, in southwest China&#039;s Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region.

&quot;Ghana has similar poverty relief projects, yet the effect is far less obvious. Ghana needs to learn from China&#039;s successful experiences in poverty relief and development,&quot; concluded Cynthia in her paper. She hopes that the Chinese government can send experts to guide poverty alleviation projects in Ghana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China Exports Poverty Reduction and Development<br />
Mode<br />
Here is an extract from the article at <a href="http://en.chinagate.com.cn/news/2007-10/21/content_9098722.htm" rel="nofollow">http://en.chinagate.com.cn/news/2007-10/21/content_9098722.htm</a></p>
<p>Ms. Cynthia, from Ghana, participated in the &#8220;research classes for officials on African countries&#8217; poverty alleviation policies and practices&#8221; organized by the International Poverty Reduction Center in China in 2006. As part of the curriculum, she visited a poverty reduction project in Menghua Village, Longsheng County, in southwest China&#8217;s Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ghana has similar poverty relief projects, yet the effect is far less obvious. Ghana needs to learn from China&#8217;s successful experiences in poverty relief and development,&#8221; concluded Cynthia in her paper. She hopes that the Chinese government can send experts to guide poverty alleviation projects in Ghana.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldfox</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-29780</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China and Vietnam are the current world leaders in poverty reduction.

From 1980 - 2005, China lifted 400 million of its own people above the $1 per day poverty level, which is 75% of all the people in the world lifted above this level in this period. There are many article on this, see e.g. www.finfacts.ie/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003611.shtml

&quot;..the poverty rate of two dollars per day in China was as high as 64.5 percent in 1993, it had fallen to 37.8 percent by 2004&quot;.
&quot;Along with Vietnam, China is the only other country experiencing a reduction in 2 dollars-a-day poverty rates of two percentage points or more per year on average since the early 1990s&quot;
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/16/content_6888061.htm

South Africa has slipped back 35 places in the Human Development Index (largely but not entirely due to HIV/AIDS), and its HDI ranking in 2007 was 121.  In the last few years, China has advanced 20 positions in the HDI rankings, and is now at 81. India&#039;s HDI in 2007 was 128.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China and Vietnam are the current world leaders in poverty reduction.</p>
<p>From 1980 &#8211; 2005, China lifted 400 million of its own people above the $1 per day poverty level, which is 75% of all the people in the world lifted above this level in this period. There are many article on this, see e.g. <a href="http://www.finfacts.ie/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003611.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.finfacts.ie/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003611.shtml</a></p>
<p>&#8220;..the poverty rate of two dollars per day in China was as high as 64.5 percent in 1993, it had fallen to 37.8 percent by 2004&#8243;.<br />
&#8220;Along with Vietnam, China is the only other country experiencing a reduction in 2 dollars-a-day poverty rates of two percentage points or more per year on average since the early 1990s&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/16/content_6888061.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/16/content_6888061.htm</a></p>
<p>South Africa has slipped back 35 places in the Human Development Index (largely but not entirely due to HIV/AIDS), and its HDI ranking in 2007 was 121.  In the last few years, China has advanced 20 positions in the HDI rankings, and is now at 81. India&#8217;s HDI in 2007 was 128.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldfox</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-29741</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Development Centre Studies
The Rise of China and India
WHAT’S IN IT FOR AFRICA?

Get the entire book (155 pages) here
www.ony.unu.edu/seminars/2006/whatsinitforafrica/oecdreport.pdf

African countries are not simply spectators to the economic rise of China and India, they
are party to it. This book demonstrates how the growing economic power of China and India
is already influencing the growth patterns of African countries, particularly oil- and
commodities-exporting ones. As world prices for commodities rise, producer countries
in Africa and throughout the world will gain, but there is more to the story than that. Some
African countries are redirecting part of their trade and other relationships from their traditional
OECD partners to China and India. The book explores the consequences of this, and comes
to some surprising conclusions.
This book is a must-read for anyone who is concerned with the changes in the world
economy being brought about by the extraordinary economic growth of China and India.
Not only do they represent over a billion workers, but these workers are also consumers and
investors. As China and India consolidate their positions in Africa, the results could
be unexpected and dramatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Development Centre Studies<br />
The Rise of China and India<br />
WHAT’S IN IT FOR AFRICA?</p>
<p>Get the entire book (155 pages) here<br />
<a href="http://www.ony.unu.edu/seminars/2006/whatsinitforafrica/oecdreport.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ony.unu.edu/seminars/2006/whatsinitforafrica/oecdreport.pdf</a></p>
<p>African countries are not simply spectators to the economic rise of China and India, they<br />
are party to it. This book demonstrates how the growing economic power of China and India<br />
is already influencing the growth patterns of African countries, particularly oil- and<br />
commodities-exporting ones. As world prices for commodities rise, producer countries<br />
in Africa and throughout the world will gain, but there is more to the story than that. Some<br />
African countries are redirecting part of their trade and other relationships from their traditional<br />
OECD partners to China and India. The book explores the consequences of this, and comes<br />
to some surprising conclusions.<br />
This book is a must-read for anyone who is concerned with the changes in the world<br />
economy being brought about by the extraordinary economic growth of China and India.<br />
Not only do they represent over a billion workers, but these workers are also consumers and<br />
investors. As China and India consolidate their positions in Africa, the results could<br />
be unexpected and dramatic.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldfox</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanoneill/2008/04/24/bring-on-the-chinese/comment-page-2/#comment-29740</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not one of the previous posts mentions that there is not just one emerging power competing for Africa&#039;s resources, but two. The second is India.
And if anyone thinks India will be a benevolent investor, think of Mittal Steel.  Even the SA govt is now at its wits end how to reign in Mittal Steel.

Here are some recent articles on India&#039;s push for Africa&#039;s resources. 

New Delhi rushes to catch up to Beijing in race for commodities
www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&amp;fArticleId=4336104

India moves to cement African partnership
www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&amp;fArticleId=4345338

India loosens purse strings to cultivate resource-rich Africa
www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&amp;fArticleId=4343928</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not one of the previous posts mentions that there is not just one emerging power competing for Africa&#8217;s resources, but two. The second is India.<br />
And if anyone thinks India will be a benevolent investor, think of Mittal Steel.  Even the SA govt is now at its wits end how to reign in Mittal Steel.</p>
<p>Here are some recent articles on India&#8217;s push for Africa&#8217;s resources. </p>
<p>New Delhi rushes to catch up to Beijing in race for commodities<br />
<a href="http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&#038;fArticleId=4336104" rel="nofollow">http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&#038;fArticleId=4336104</a></p>
<p>India moves to cement African partnership<br />
<a href="http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&#038;fArticleId=4345338" rel="nofollow">http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&#038;fArticleId=4345338</a></p>
<p>India loosens purse strings to cultivate resource-rich Africa<br />
<a href="http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&#038;fArticleId=4343928" rel="nofollow">http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&#038;fArticleId=4343928</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tony Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gareth
  Are you drinking Klippies with that Eish? - Pass us a shot this side boet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gareth<br />
  Are you drinking Klippies with that Eish? &#8211; Pass us a shot this side boet.</p>
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