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		<title>By: david hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>david hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Todd Kidd,
I understand that all black troubles are because of Europeans, now, and then.  Any economy runs successfully because of self interest of the parties and their skill level.  The true revolution will occur when color is not a factor.  For a time, there will always be disparity, sometimes radical.  The next step in your argument is Cambodia, from race to class and education in ownership and participation in the economy.  I agree that ownership of what can be developed should belong to the majority, with compensation for those with vision that pointed the way.  That which is developed should let lie, because classically mucking with it has hurt the poor deeply.  I am radically to the left, yet, one must be practical.  I think in your lifetime you will see that Africa is not for Africans, that the world is rapidly becoming one community.  Wealth, that is another matter.  Wealth in America is being concentrated rapidly in the hands of middle easterners and Chinese, exponentially.  When you wake up tomorrow, your world will be different.  SA will be different.  No revolution can stand in the way.  Sounds very patriotic though, keep the west out and let our banana/mineral dictatorships whip the poor into line, it ain&#039;t going to change.  I have seen the children of the SA rich and they are black, and nothing is changing.  I must laugh that Zim is the result of a western conspiracy.  And with this thinking, it is clear how low SA is going, and fast.  Cool violence guy, endemic petty corruption, and grand corruption, well documented.  Can&#039;t wait for Zuma to show that his trial is an election year set up, like OJ&#039;s.  I am shocked by such a beautiful and vibrant country where I am moving could be so ignorant of its needs.  Good luck to you Komrade Todd.  Everything is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Todd Kidd,<br />
I understand that all black troubles are because of Europeans, now, and then.  Any economy runs successfully because of self interest of the parties and their skill level.  The true revolution will occur when color is not a factor.  For a time, there will always be disparity, sometimes radical.  The next step in your argument is Cambodia, from race to class and education in ownership and participation in the economy.  I agree that ownership of what can be developed should belong to the majority, with compensation for those with vision that pointed the way.  That which is developed should let lie, because classically mucking with it has hurt the poor deeply.  I am radically to the left, yet, one must be practical.  I think in your lifetime you will see that Africa is not for Africans, that the world is rapidly becoming one community.  Wealth, that is another matter.  Wealth in America is being concentrated rapidly in the hands of middle easterners and Chinese, exponentially.  When you wake up tomorrow, your world will be different.  SA will be different.  No revolution can stand in the way.  Sounds very patriotic though, keep the west out and let our banana/mineral dictatorships whip the poor into line, it ain&#8217;t going to change.  I have seen the children of the SA rich and they are black, and nothing is changing.  I must laugh that Zim is the result of a western conspiracy.  And with this thinking, it is clear how low SA is going, and fast.  Cool violence guy, endemic petty corruption, and grand corruption, well documented.  Can&#8217;t wait for Zuma to show that his trial is an election year set up, like OJ&#8217;s.  I am shocked by such a beautiful and vibrant country where I am moving could be so ignorant of its needs.  Good luck to you Komrade Todd.  Everything is good.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Todd Kidd: &quot;I want to visit South Africa but I want it to owned by black Africans&quot;

In that case, I want to visit America, but I want it to be owned by Native Americans (i.e. American Indians).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Todd Kidd: &#8220;I want to visit South Africa but I want it to owned by black Africans&#8221;</p>
<p>In that case, I want to visit America, but I want it to be owned by Native Americans (i.e. American Indians).</p>
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		<title>By: todd kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. David Hurst:

I&#039;m glad that a white American is reading the Mail and Guardian; however, I stand by my word:  Africa should not be dominated by Europeans while natives go starving.  The white man wants to dominate the world but his time is up.  Blacks world wide support Mugbe and we&#039;re ready to die for an Africa free of Europeand domination.  Whites dominate here in America; they own all the land and the economy.  It&#039;s hard for white people to view blacks as equals because they&#039;ve dominated blacks for so long.  However, the tide is turing and we&#039;re mindfully of our history with Europeans.  I&#039;m not a racist but I&#039;m a realist:  Africa should be for Africans. I make no apologies for this view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. David Hurst:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that a white American is reading the Mail and Guardian; however, I stand by my word:  Africa should not be dominated by Europeans while natives go starving.  The white man wants to dominate the world but his time is up.  Blacks world wide support Mugbe and we&#8217;re ready to die for an Africa free of Europeand domination.  Whites dominate here in America; they own all the land and the economy.  It&#8217;s hard for white people to view blacks as equals because they&#8217;ve dominated blacks for so long.  However, the tide is turing and we&#8217;re mindfully of our history with Europeans.  I&#8217;m not a racist but I&#8217;m a realist:  Africa should be for Africans. I make no apologies for this view.</p>
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		<title>By: Thabisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thabisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mugabe is mad!
I am a medical doctor by the way and there is a condition known as tertiary syphylis. I am afraid that poor old man suffers from this disease. You have put it plainly that all his actions before and after his &#039;so called election&#039; defy all logic. His emotional outburst at that &#039;bloody idiot&#039; in Egypt really potrayed his madness. It is a pity that tertiary syphylis is untretable and we therefore await immediate removal of that ditactor from the throne by God of cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mugabe is mad!<br />
I am a medical doctor by the way and there is a condition known as tertiary syphylis. I am afraid that poor old man suffers from this disease. You have put it plainly that all his actions before and after his &#8216;so called election&#8217; defy all logic. His emotional outburst at that &#8216;bloody idiot&#8217; in Egypt really potrayed his madness. It is a pity that tertiary syphylis is untretable and we therefore await immediate removal of that ditactor from the throne by God of cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Casselden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Casselden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Moyo,
Thank you for a thoughtful and incisive piece.
Perhaps the easiest way of viewing this sordid business is to close your eyes and imagine that Mugabe is white.
It all takes on a competely different aspect then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Moyo,<br />
Thank you for a thoughtful and incisive piece.<br />
Perhaps the easiest way of viewing this sordid business is to close your eyes and imagine that Mugabe is white.<br />
It all takes on a competely different aspect then.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The one that takes the cup, of course: Mugabe tussles with Julian Manyon, a journalist from ITN. Mugabe has lost it. I must say that I did not like the way the journalist also handled himself. I think he was disrespectful and patronising. He could have still asked the same questions in a more dignified manner. But such is the role of a journalist, I suppose.&quot;

Yes, very much the role and indeed the duty of a journalist.

Mugabe deserves no respect.  Even if he were just another politician, Julian Manyon would have been well within his rights to have asked Mugabe the questions he did.  As it is, Mugabe is a power-crazed, blood-soaked thug who deserves to be treated only with utter contempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The one that takes the cup, of course: Mugabe tussles with Julian Manyon, a journalist from ITN. Mugabe has lost it. I must say that I did not like the way the journalist also handled himself. I think he was disrespectful and patronising. He could have still asked the same questions in a more dignified manner. But such is the role of a journalist, I suppose.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, very much the role and indeed the duty of a journalist.</p>
<p>Mugabe deserves no respect.  Even if he were just another politician, Julian Manyon would have been well within his rights to have asked Mugabe the questions he did.  As it is, Mugabe is a power-crazed, blood-soaked thug who deserves to be treated only with utter contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilal

&quot;Friendly Fire&quot; happens in every war. Tell me one where it has not? It is OBVIOUSLY never deliberate.

&quot;Anyone who kills is a murderer&quot;
Does that include suicide bombers in Israel, Afghanistan or Iraq? Does that include 9/11?

Americans are a Christian Country; first they fought Atheist Communism, now they fight Muslim Fundamentalism.

As in all wars there are heros and villans on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilal</p>
<p>&#8220;Friendly Fire&#8221; happens in every war. Tell me one where it has not? It is OBVIOUSLY never deliberate.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyone who kills is a murderer&#8221;<br />
Does that include suicide bombers in Israel, Afghanistan or Iraq? Does that include 9/11?</p>
<p>Americans are a Christian Country; first they fought Atheist Communism, now they fight Muslim Fundamentalism.</p>
<p>As in all wars there are heros and villans on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: old, female, pale face.</title>
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		<dc:creator>old, female, pale face.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thuthukani Mkhize 
Your comments are tedious, you fill space with boring quotations.  It is trash  and ignorance of the Blerrie Yankee, trying to tell us what we should do, that drives me crazy.
Toddytjie - Go sort out your own Bush Person.  We do not want your opinion. Anyway, you have not yet defined yourselves, African laugh at you. Leave The &quot;Africans&quot; to kill off their citizens.  They are too busy annihilating their opponents, to care what you think.
Mkhize - You want to talk 1700+  
Africa was a WILDERNESS; explorers called it the &quot;DARK CONTINENT.&#039; not due to skin colour - it was undeveloped, wild landscape and ferocious animals roamed freely.  Except for small pockets of huts and people.  
That is the &quot;land&quot; that should be handed back, yes, I agree &quot;handed back as it was.&quot; 
I say farmers burn everything to the ground and when the first rains come - the earth will resume its 1700+ appearance. No sign of a cursed white man. They have left for civilization.  
Round up wild animals and let them roam free. Give back the land it was given by them.  Bush.  
Yes moyo, you are not alone. I agree, Africa is crazy;  I am crazy from anger.  The TV promises: &quot;South Africa full of possibilities.&quot;  
 I disown the land of my forefathers.  Africa is doomed not from Western culture but indigenous inhabitants, national murder. 
Between the Liberators, Plagues, genocide, xenophobia, random murders, crazy dictators, child killers  - Western beliefs are irrelevant.  Leave Africa to the Africans.  Philanthropy for Africa?   WHY? They do not want it.
I say &#039;they,&#039;as I am no longer an African, I am too ashamed of the connotation and the horrors compounded by them.   I am an alien.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thuthukani Mkhize<br />
Your comments are tedious, you fill space with boring quotations.  It is trash  and ignorance of the Blerrie Yankee, trying to tell us what we should do, that drives me crazy.<br />
Toddytjie &#8211; Go sort out your own Bush Person.  We do not want your opinion. Anyway, you have not yet defined yourselves, African laugh at you. Leave The &#8220;Africans&#8221; to kill off their citizens.  They are too busy annihilating their opponents, to care what you think.<br />
Mkhize &#8211; You want to talk 1700+<br />
Africa was a WILDERNESS; explorers called it the &#8220;DARK CONTINENT.&#8217; not due to skin colour &#8211; it was undeveloped, wild landscape and ferocious animals roamed freely.  Except for small pockets of huts and people.<br />
That is the &#8220;land&#8221; that should be handed back, yes, I agree &#8220;handed back as it was.&#8221;<br />
I say farmers burn everything to the ground and when the first rains come &#8211; the earth will resume its 1700+ appearance. No sign of a cursed white man. They have left for civilization.<br />
Round up wild animals and let them roam free. Give back the land it was given by them.  Bush.<br />
Yes moyo, you are not alone. I agree, Africa is crazy;  I am crazy from anger.  The TV promises: &#8220;South Africa full of possibilities.&#8221;<br />
 I disown the land of my forefathers.  Africa is doomed not from Western culture but indigenous inhabitants, national murder.<br />
Between the Liberators, Plagues, genocide, xenophobia, random murders, crazy dictators, child killers  &#8211; Western beliefs are irrelevant.  Leave Africa to the Africans.  Philanthropy for Africa?   WHY? They do not want it.<br />
I say &#8216;they,&#8217;as I am no longer an African, I am too ashamed of the connotation and the horrors compounded by them.   I am an alien.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall
Are you also named Owen?
Anyway, If Bush sends his troops into a war that should not have been authorised if truth prevailed, blame for the deaths lies with Bush!- killing his soldiers in an illegal invasion.

You must be living in another planet if you never read in the news that American soldiers were involved in what they call friendly fire-killing their own.

You must also be living in another universe if news that the American soldiers killed civilians-then claimed wrong intelligence(stupidity!)-in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And my case is anybody who kills is a murderer and must be brought to book. I hope the International Criminal Court is busy doing body counts in Iraq and Afghanistan with a view to prosecuting Bush, B-liar for the genocide they are committing in Iraq and Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall<br />
Are you also named Owen?<br />
Anyway, If Bush sends his troops into a war that should not have been authorised if truth prevailed, blame for the deaths lies with Bush!- killing his soldiers in an illegal invasion.</p>
<p>You must be living in another planet if you never read in the news that American soldiers were involved in what they call friendly fire-killing their own.</p>
<p>You must also be living in another universe if news that the American soldiers killed civilians-then claimed wrong intelligence(stupidity!)-in Afghanistan and Iraq.</p>
<p>And my case is anybody who kills is a murderer and must be brought to book. I hope the International Criminal Court is busy doing body counts in Iraq and Afghanistan with a view to prosecuting Bush, B-liar for the genocide they are committing in Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg

You don&#039;t even know your own country! There are Americans doing DNA tests to try and prove they have Indian blood to qualify for the benefits being given - including land rights!

Every conquest was by superior weapons - including the Monguls, The Turks, the Roman Empire and the Chinese!

Martin

You are right. The Xhosa were trekking down, and the whites from the Cape Colony were moving up the coast. They met at the Kei River. Then the British brought in settlers from Britain after the Napoleonic Wars ended to strengthen the border against Xhosa cattle raids.

Zulu were a different story. Their land was further up the coast. The Brits originally established a small trading colony and then colonised the area. But the Zulu were killing off all the other tribes and assimilating their women.One of the reasons the Xhosa were fleeing South, where they met the whites, was to escape the Zulu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t even know your own country! There are Americans doing DNA tests to try and prove they have Indian blood to qualify for the benefits being given &#8211; including land rights!</p>
<p>Every conquest was by superior weapons &#8211; including the Monguls, The Turks, the Roman Empire and the Chinese!</p>
<p>Martin</p>
<p>You are right. The Xhosa were trekking down, and the whites from the Cape Colony were moving up the coast. They met at the Kei River. Then the British brought in settlers from Britain after the Napoleonic Wars ended to strengthen the border against Xhosa cattle raids.</p>
<p>Zulu were a different story. Their land was further up the coast. The Brits originally established a small trading colony and then colonised the area. But the Zulu were killing off all the other tribes and assimilating their women.One of the reasons the Xhosa were fleeing South, where they met the whites, was to escape the Zulu.</p>
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