Comments on: Sometimes culture is a load of bull

By: Jabu

Jabu — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:55:42 +0000

The following must be very much interesting:
- What is “KILLING”.
- What is “HUMANE KILLING”
- What is meant by “SUFFER”
- What is the real meaning of the world “PAIN”
- What is the relationship between “MORAL” and “KILLING”.
- What really make sense when one put KILLING, SUFFER, PAIN (even “less pain??”), HUMAN & MORALITY.
- Who determines what is really “HUMANE KILLING”, let alone asking his/her Skin Colour.
- To whom must all so called cultures make sense (I mean ‘MORALY CORRECT KILLING SENSE’).
- Who’s the “generally” approved one to measure the accepted human-inflicted pains to animals along the lines of being “generally accepted” or “labbeled as BARBARIC” (who is a BarBari for that matter). I mean who is this SUPREME one to lay the rules on how to “CORRECTLY KILL” animals (particularly for ritual purposes).
- Is there no difference between KILLING FOR MEAT and KILLING FOR A RITUAL(from the purpose point of view).

YOU CAN REPLACE ALL THE FULLSTOPS WITH QUESTION MARKS, Appologies for that its my “CULTURE” i do not use ????? they are to my “CULTURE” a taboo.

By: Karooseun

Karooseun — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:16:33 +0000

Sipho,i knew someone by that name on a forum now not in use anymore for political comments

By: Solly MOENG

Solly MOENG — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:45:04 +0000

Sipho, you’re truly funny!!

I make no exclusions in as far as the capacity to feel pain goes. All I’m saying is that at some point, people must reach consensus on what pain can and should be tolerated and what pain shouldn’t be, and then try to move forward as one! The fact of the matter is that much of human societies are governed by some for of social contract and a lot clear and assumed beliefs!

By: Sipho

Sipho — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:49:57 +0000

@ Solly MOENG – have you considered that plants do feel pain too? Have you seen a fish wiggling on a hook? Have you killed a snake? Have you killed mosquitoes, flies or ants.
Or is it a matter of size with you? The bigger it is, the less painful it should die.

By: Solly MOENG

Solly MOENG — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:18:59 +0000

We could never get out of this one without much mud-slinging and name calling!

I often wonder how an average white person would respond to another telling him/her to treat Africans/Blacks with humane respect during slavery/apartheid. Perhaps the one making the suggestion would be ridiculed and called all sorts of names because his/her ideas would have come too early? Fast-forward to today: Some, Black & white have come to realise that animals do in fact feel pain, think and suffer, while too many of us still believe that this is bull – they are “just animals”! This includes those who think it’s cool to make animals suffer when they kill them.

This debate shouldn’ be about one group’s culture versus others, it should be about us reaching consensus on what is humane and what is not, including in the manner of treating animals. Perhaps, just perhaps, we’ll get out of this without brandishing tired race cards!

By: RubinB

RubinB — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:46:04 +0000

Culture can never be an excuse for cruelty.
Cannibalism, and later, human sacrifice were both part of culture at some stage. So was the absolute power of husband over wife (including the right to kill her). But as civilization advanced, these things became unacceptable and hence no longer part of “culture”. Currently being debated is female circumcision, another barbaric “cultural” activity.
If we need to eat anumals, the least we can do is to kill them humanely. To torture and eventually kill a bull for “cultural” reasons is not acceptable. So let us do away with it.

By: Concerned

Concerned — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:46:38 +0000

@Lee
Yes I agree with Lee. Take a video of this insanely cruel killing of the bull and put it on twitter. Then it will be plain for all to see, whites, Zulus, Xhosa, et al. Those that argue for it being a sancrosint cultural practice will have a hard time defending their stance.

By: Byron Paterson

Byron Paterson — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:14:07 +0000

While I agree with the author that culture should not be used as an excuse, I would like to know who determines which culture is the correct one. You are basing your outcry on your definition of humanity and using your own culture as a point of reference. The Chinese may eat dogs but in what way is it different from eating a lamb?
Secondly we are supposed to be a rainbow nation, celebrating our differences, otherwise we might as well call ourselves the Grey Nation

By: franco

franco — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:25:11 +0000

GS van Zyl said it. The dominant cultures in this country will have to realize that they, like those before them, will be judged by their actions. Forget all the reasoning and justifications, if you want to take part and be regarded as an equal partner, get used to the scrutiny! Blustering and threats are the weapons of those with weak arguments. Marumo, do you really believe what you wrote? Do you even begin to comprehend what message you are sending towards white people in this country?

By: Sipho

Sipho — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:41:57 +0000

@ Lee van Zyl, Robert_A & Shamus – I suppose you find dropping a live crayfish in boiling water a human and painless exercise to the crayfish. The only reason you find it so, it’s because it’s not practiced by Africans. It’s racism “finish and klaar” stop denying it.

@Gerry – you know two white girls called Thandi, I know thousands of black Africans with European names. You’re probably the type that claims that those few whites fought with Africans against apartheid, did it on behalf of every white person. Just because some white people invented something, then every white person becomes an inventor.