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		<title>By: Azad Essa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azad Essa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry Peppi, I didnt see your second comment until now when I was looking for something else on this blog...what do you mean what I think...about Germany &amp; Finkelstein &amp; anti-semitism....? I do not follow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry Peppi, I didnt see your second comment until now when I was looking for something else on this blog&#8230;what do you mean what I think&#8230;about Germany &amp; Finkelstein &amp; anti-semitism&#8230;.? I do not follow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Saberah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saberah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned! Long time long see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned! Long time long see</p>
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		<title>By: ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telling that those making snide remarks about Finkelstein have Jewish names.

Very hard to take criticism, especially from one of your own.

Finkelstein is an important scholar.  He has honesty and integrity and has exposed some of the underhand shenanigans of &#039;the lobby&#039; to public scrutiny.  About time too. It affects all of us at some level.

A non-Jew simply could not take this stand and hope to keep his head.  It is important that he is Jewish.

The comma is important too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling that those making snide remarks about Finkelstein have Jewish names.</p>
<p>Very hard to take criticism, especially from one of your own.</p>
<p>Finkelstein is an important scholar.  He has honesty and integrity and has exposed some of the underhand shenanigans of &#8216;the lobby&#8217; to public scrutiny.  About time too. It affects all of us at some level.</p>
<p>A non-Jew simply could not take this stand and hope to keep his head.  It is important that he is Jewish.</p>
<p>The comma is important too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Azad Essa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azad Essa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello All, thanks for reading.

never thought the revolution was so fragile, it hung by a comma.

Thanks Peppi for pointing out 2010 :) could hire you as a sub-editor.

Amira Hass – Israeli journalist from the Haaretz said the other day on Al-Jazeera that the situation is complex because it a combination of Apartheid, colonization, and democracy for only one group of people. 

She said that there are different sets of laws for  Jews and Palestinians and it has elements of Apartheid especially because of these differential laws as well as the idea of self-rule (like Bantustans)

She said its not racism. If you go to a hospital in Israel, there aren&#039;t separations like SA Apartheid. She put it down to being an issue of &quot;interests&quot;.

&quot;The Israelis profit from this situation&quot;
 
She said Israel is a society built on the security industry– there is a whole structure that gains from the tension – and the the hatred is simply utilized to justify the system/structure. 
 
I think this is a strong, mostly ignored facet of the conflict. Who gains from all this?

Amira is an Israeli working for the Haaretz, and she has lived in Ramallah, doing much of her reporting from there. 

Of course you can say she has Stockholm syndrome (not Oslo). Alternatively, you can say she is staring reality in the face every day. You decide.

Amira recently won the International Women&#039;s Media Foundation lifetime achievement award.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello All, thanks for reading.</p>
<p>never thought the revolution was so fragile, it hung by a comma.</p>
<p>Thanks Peppi for pointing out 2010 <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  could hire you as a sub-editor.</p>
<p>Amira Hass – Israeli journalist from the Haaretz said the other day on Al-Jazeera that the situation is complex because it a combination of Apartheid, colonization, and democracy for only one group of people. </p>
<p>She said that there are different sets of laws for  Jews and Palestinians and it has elements of Apartheid especially because of these differential laws as well as the idea of self-rule (like Bantustans)</p>
<p>She said its not racism. If you go to a hospital in Israel, there aren&#8217;t separations like SA Apartheid. She put it down to being an issue of &#8220;interests&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Israelis profit from this situation&#8221;</p>
<p>She said Israel is a society built on the security industry– there is a whole structure that gains from the tension – and the the hatred is simply utilized to justify the system/structure. </p>
<p>I think this is a strong, mostly ignored facet of the conflict. Who gains from all this?</p>
<p>Amira is an Israeli working for the Haaretz, and she has lived in Ramallah, doing much of her reporting from there. </p>
<p>Of course you can say she has Stockholm syndrome (not Oslo). Alternatively, you can say she is staring reality in the face every day. You decide.</p>
<p>Amira recently won the International Women&#8217;s Media Foundation lifetime achievement award.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubuntu-Fundamentalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubuntu-Fundamentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its lamentable that Jews who question and criticise their brethren or Israel with good cause and basis are ostracised, labelled, discredited and their loyalty questioned and Gentiles who do the same are just labelled anti-semitic without any meaningfull engagement. Assuming we agree that loyalty should be conditional, South African Jewry, perhaps like members of the ANC, are pitifully no different. Zapiro once mentioned that his Jewish compatriots said “we don’t need Hamas to cause us trouble, we have you”. The resentment of other well-known South African Jews who question and criticise Israel such as Ronnie Kasrils and now Richard Goldstone bears testimony to this malaise.

Just a few weeks ago Israeli students, who refused to serve in the Israeli Defence Force on grounds that it constituted an occupying force engaged in illegal activities, hoping to raise awareness of their plight were denied access to Jewish schools in South Africa.

Forced consensus and gagged dissent will further the victims of yesteryear being the aggressors of today.
Here’s to courageous and active engagement.

Ps: Arabs are semites too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its lamentable that Jews who question and criticise their brethren or Israel with good cause and basis are ostracised, labelled, discredited and their loyalty questioned and Gentiles who do the same are just labelled anti-semitic without any meaningfull engagement. Assuming we agree that loyalty should be conditional, South African Jewry, perhaps like members of the ANC, are pitifully no different. Zapiro once mentioned that his Jewish compatriots said “we don’t need Hamas to cause us trouble, we have you”. The resentment of other well-known South African Jews who question and criticise Israel such as Ronnie Kasrils and now Richard Goldstone bears testimony to this malaise.</p>
<p>Just a few weeks ago Israeli students, who refused to serve in the Israeli Defence Force on grounds that it constituted an occupying force engaged in illegal activities, hoping to raise awareness of their plight were denied access to Jewish schools in South Africa.</p>
<p>Forced consensus and gagged dissent will further the victims of yesteryear being the aggressors of today.<br />
Here’s to courageous and active engagement.</p>
<p>Ps: Arabs are semites too!</p>
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		<title>By: peppi</title>
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		<dc:creator>peppi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Finkelstein is a controversial personality - so controversial that in my political 100% correct country nobody wants to talk to him.

South Africa in this respect, is further than Germany.

The Israel lobby in Germany pisses in its pants when they hear his name - and the comparison between Israel and South Africa is generally described as anti-Semitic because it is believed to be a delegitimization of Israel.

So Azad what do you think???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Finkelstein is a controversial personality &#8211; so controversial that in my political 100% correct country nobody wants to talk to him.</p>
<p>South Africa in this respect, is further than Germany.</p>
<p>The Israel lobby in Germany pisses in its pants when they hear his name &#8211; and the comparison between Israel and South Africa is generally described as anti-Semitic because it is believed to be a delegitimization of Israel.</p>
<p>So Azad what do you think???</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johan:

Finkelstein is clearly moralizing for the Soviet Union. He is trying to use the analogy to explain why he supports Hezbollah.

He claims the Soviet Union was a force of liberation in Europe and, therefore, all the bad stuff about the regime is acceptable. That is moralizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johan:</p>
<p>Finkelstein is clearly moralizing for the Soviet Union. He is trying to use the analogy to explain why he supports Hezbollah.</p>
<p>He claims the Soviet Union was a force of liberation in Europe and, therefore, all the bad stuff about the regime is acceptable. That is moralizing.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once had this afrikaans lecturer at dental school
who detested chinese people (asians).
Although teaching ethics and jurisprudence he always had a bone to pick.Nothing chinese people
did was right even the same air they breathed.
Despite also been educated or less educated he 
practised what he was taught by his peers and parents on how to &quot;deal&quot; with chinese people.
He even to this day sits on the HPCSA doing 
hearings and quite a religious fanatic and love 
his whisky in opffice hours too.
In South Africa there is still much work to be 
done to remove these individuals(there are many in Pretoria and in the legal professions) from the 
society we want our children to grow up in the 
new South Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once had this afrikaans lecturer at dental school<br />
who detested chinese people (asians).<br />
Although teaching ethics and jurisprudence he always had a bone to pick.Nothing chinese people<br />
did was right even the same air they breathed.<br />
Despite also been educated or less educated he<br />
practised what he was taught by his peers and parents on how to &#8220;deal&#8221; with chinese people.<br />
He even to this day sits on the HPCSA doing<br />
hearings and quite a religious fanatic and love<br />
his whisky in opffice hours too.<br />
In South Africa there is still much work to be<br />
done to remove these individuals(there are many in Pretoria and in the legal professions) from the<br />
society we want our children to grow up in the<br />
new South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard Rain, I also listened to that interview and either you are incapable of understanding common expressions or you are so biased that you base your feeble argument on your own out-of-context quotation. Finkelstein compared Hizbollah to the Soviet forces during WW2 and said that while &quot;THE STALINIST REGIME WAS NOT EXACTLY A BED OF ROSES...&quot; their efforts to stop Nazism were lauded and supported in the Western world at that time. He never moralized the Stalinist regime as merely “not a bed of roses”. Have you no shame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard Rain, I also listened to that interview and either you are incapable of understanding common expressions or you are so biased that you base your feeble argument on your own out-of-context quotation. Finkelstein compared Hizbollah to the Soviet forces during WW2 and said that while &#8220;THE STALINIST REGIME WAS NOT EXACTLY A BED OF ROSES&#8230;&#8221; their efforts to stop Nazism were lauded and supported in the Western world at that time. He never moralized the Stalinist regime as merely “not a bed of roses”. Have you no shame?</p>
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		<title>By: gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Throughout history, one interesting fact is observable: those who were previously ruthlessly oppressed, once freed become the greatest and most ruthless oppressors. &quot;
 
I found this extraordinary, within  the thread of this commentary. Extraordiary because the writer is speaking of Israel obviously, and he writes this clearly insinuating that Israel has become the wearer of the jackboot, instead of being the recpient of the jackboot.
 I respectfully ask him what he feels Israel should have done, following such military attacks like the ones she has had recently (Lebanon and the Cast Lead)?
Which other country sends messages to civilians to evacuate a  FAMILY OCCUPIED APARTMENT BLOCK where terrorists fire rockets from.
Which other country resists returning fire after 8 years of rocket attacks and when it does - sends cell phone messages warning the innocents to leave?
What other country sits back and smiles when it hands back an occupied territory in peace, and then watches that territory desecrate its synagogues and burn its greenhouses?

Ruthless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Throughout history, one interesting fact is observable: those who were previously ruthlessly oppressed, once freed become the greatest and most ruthless oppressors. &#8221;</p>
<p>I found this extraordinary, within  the thread of this commentary. Extraordiary because the writer is speaking of Israel obviously, and he writes this clearly insinuating that Israel has become the wearer of the jackboot, instead of being the recpient of the jackboot.<br />
 I respectfully ask him what he feels Israel should have done, following such military attacks like the ones she has had recently (Lebanon and the Cast Lead)?<br />
Which other country sends messages to civilians to evacuate a  FAMILY OCCUPIED APARTMENT BLOCK where terrorists fire rockets from.<br />
Which other country resists returning fire after 8 years of rocket attacks and when it does &#8211; sends cell phone messages warning the innocents to leave?<br />
What other country sits back and smiles when it hands back an occupied territory in peace, and then watches that territory desecrate its synagogues and burn its greenhouses?</p>
<p>Ruthless?</p>
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