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	<title>Comments on: Ungovern &#8230; what? Say that again, I double dare you!</title>
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		<title>By: Avishkar Govender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avishkar Govender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now SASCO will make UNISA ungovernable... whats next... i reckon they shud try find a shebeen to make ungovernable - lets see how long that lasts :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now SASCO will make UNISA ungovernable&#8230; whats next&#8230; i reckon they shud try find a shebeen to make ungovernable &#8211; lets see how long that lasts <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Pasile for setting Lyndall Beddy straight. I wonder if Lyndall Beddy is just plain clueless or deliberately misrepresents facts. 

Lyndall the 2003 court ruling that you allude to was the result of the Bush administration politics and had to do with university admissions not AA per se. A court ruling that has been largely ignored by all the  universities. To understand AA in the US you need to understand their legal system. 
As they say, a little knowledge is sometime dangerous and you&#039;ve just proven that Lyndall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Pasile for setting Lyndall Beddy straight. I wonder if Lyndall Beddy is just plain clueless or deliberately misrepresents facts. </p>
<p>Lyndall the 2003 court ruling that you allude to was the result of the Bush administration politics and had to do with university admissions not AA per se. A court ruling that has been largely ignored by all the  universities. To understand AA in the US you need to understand their legal system.<br />
As they say, a little knowledge is sometime dangerous and you&#8217;ve just proven that Lyndall.</p>
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		<title>By: pasile</title>
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		<dc:creator>pasile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 07:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall Beddy- you smoke and talk too much. AA is still the law in the U.S! Please try to think before speaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall Beddy- you smoke and talk too much. AA is still the law in the U.S! Please try to think before speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Kerruish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Kerruish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall

I forgot to mention Kholeka Mqulwana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall</p>
<p>I forgot to mention Kholeka Mqulwana.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Harris

The USA (and presumably Obama) abandoned AA years ago - the USA Supreme Court found it to be unconstitutional and discriminatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Harris</p>
<p>The USA (and presumably Obama) abandoned AA years ago &#8211; the USA Supreme Court found it to be unconstitutional and discriminatory.</p>
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		<title>By: brigs</title>
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		<dc:creator>brigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you go boy! more of these an maybe some one will sit up and take notic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you go boy! more of these an maybe some one will sit up and take notic!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perry Curling-Hope, apologies for calling you Peter in my previous comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry Curling-Hope, apologies for calling you Peter in my previous comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, the point of my comment is that Avishkar should firstly be HONEST about Zille&#039;s cabinet. 
Perlie Joubert&#039;s May 8 excellent article www.mg.co.za/article/2009-05-08-return-of-the-white-men first uncovered this injustice.

Secondly, there is nothing PC about Affirmative Action. AA is aimed at redressing hundreds of years of oppression of blacks. In the US, Obama is a firm believer in AA consequently tries to make his administration reflective of the population of the US. Zuma has been trying to do the same in his cabinet choices. Zille, still stuck in the politics of the last century, stubbornly want to maintain the old boys country club. 

Yes, the race of the president should not matter but given SA&#039;s tragic history, can&#039;t you understand why we&#039;re not yet a white president? In a generation or two however, when &quot;Mandela&#039;s children&quot; - growing up without the sickness of apartheid, it may be entirely feasible for SA to elect a white president. 

Striving for racial and gender parity is necessary to address centuries of discrimination STILL pervasive our society.  Its also good for business - ALL major globally competitive companies see diversity as a strength. Zille refuses to learn from other multi-cultural societies (US or UK). The white dominated DA has turned out to be a Lite version of the old National Party and urgently needs new leadership in order to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, the point of my comment is that Avishkar should firstly be HONEST about Zille&#8217;s cabinet.<br />
Perlie Joubert&#8217;s May 8 excellent article <a href="http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-05-08-return-of-the-white-men" rel="nofollow">http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-05-08-return-of-the-white-men</a> first uncovered this injustice.</p>
<p>Secondly, there is nothing PC about Affirmative Action. AA is aimed at redressing hundreds of years of oppression of blacks. In the US, Obama is a firm believer in AA consequently tries to make his administration reflective of the population of the US. Zuma has been trying to do the same in his cabinet choices. Zille, still stuck in the politics of the last century, stubbornly want to maintain the old boys country club. </p>
<p>Yes, the race of the president should not matter but given SA&#8217;s tragic history, can&#8217;t you understand why we&#8217;re not yet a white president? In a generation or two however, when &#8220;Mandela&#8217;s children&#8221; &#8211; growing up without the sickness of apartheid, it may be entirely feasible for SA to elect a white president. </p>
<p>Striving for racial and gender parity is necessary to address centuries of discrimination STILL pervasive our society.  Its also good for business &#8211; ALL major globally competitive companies see diversity as a strength. Zille refuses to learn from other multi-cultural societies (US or UK). The white dominated DA has turned out to be a Lite version of the old National Party and urgently needs new leadership in order to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark

Lynne Browne was a last minute stopgap after Rasool stuffed up on the illegal Erasmus Commission, and Tasneem Essop was the one woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark</p>
<p>Lynne Browne was a last minute stopgap after Rasool stuffed up on the illegal Erasmus Commission, and Tasneem Essop was the one woman.</p>
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		<title>By: South Africa</title>
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		<dc:creator>South Africa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dave
Perhaps you could enlighten us and justify your position with some detail instead of your ranting and raving response that has no substance.
The article put a nice spin on things, and all of us should be supporting all of government irrespective of our individual political leanings. The election is over, it&#039;s time for the elected officials to make good their promises made prior to them being elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dave<br />
Perhaps you could enlighten us and justify your position with some detail instead of your ranting and raving response that has no substance.<br />
The article put a nice spin on things, and all of us should be supporting all of government irrespective of our individual political leanings. The election is over, it&#8217;s time for the elected officials to make good their promises made prior to them being elected.</p>
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