Judaism isn’t a white religion as its from the Middle east, Catholicism which is a derived from Judaism is arguably not a white religion either. But, Christianity as we know it in SA, and most of Western Europe can Arguably be traced back to Martin Lutter and his protestant reformation in Germany. Thus making “Christianity” very white indeed.

Also it depends on where you draw the line, If you go back far enough you can trace Catholicism’s New testament origins to Egypt 3000BC with Horus sharing many of Jesus’ traits and personal history.

Why do you call me ignorant?

You were referring to Southern Africa one second, then your using the example of Tahiti as an example of good Christians.

OH

-Nigeria
-Zimbabwe
-South Africa
-Namibia
-Swaziland
-Mozambique
-Kenya
-Egypt
-Botswana

I live in SA and am not ignorant, just because I do not wish to go to church, I assume you were referring to that? I have been to church far more than I ever planned to. Its not something I wish to do again, I have lived under a christian god for too long. I do not believe in that or any god and that does not make me ignorant.

I think those who live without a god are those who are enlightened. We have unshackled our minds of superstitions and fallacies, fictions mixed with non-fictions and outrageous evils.

Do not call me ignorant, I never got nasty, but you did and being provoked cause my nasty reaction. I suggest you follow most of the peoples lead here and keep it civil.

“Religion, opium for the people! To those suffering pain, humiliation, illness, and serfdom, it promised a reward in afterlife. And now we are witnessing a transformation. A true opium of the people is a belief in nothingness after death, the huge solace of thinking that for our betrayals, greed, cowardice, murders we are not going to be judged. The Marxist creed has now been inverted. The true opium of modernity is the belief that there is no God, so that humans are free to do precisely as they please.”
Czeslaw Milosz, winner of Nobel Prize in Literature, from an essay called “The Discreet Charm of Nihilism.”

Why is the religion of these oppressors the one part of their culture that gets a free ride? Why is it considered good for Africans when even Europeans are shaking off this mind-virus like they’re awakening from a nightmare? This was the justification for you enslavement. They’d wave this book and tell you that they had the truth.

Christianity was always a trick.

Just because it feels good, doesn’t mean it’s good for you. Just because you wish it were true, doesn’t make it true.

Faith isn’t how you see truth beyond the doubt. It’s how you make yourself believe that nonsense is sense. If it wasn’t rubbish, you wouldn’t need faith to believe it.

Time to grow up and leave the fairy tales behind.

Just because you are an atheist or agnostic does not mean you have to be ignorant.

Have you ever been to Africa?

If so to which countries?

You are correct – I was talking Southern Africa.

The Roman Catholic Church did forceably convert.

In fact the Queen of Tahiti begged the Brits to colonise her so that she would not lose her Protestant Missionaries, but the Brits wanted no more colonies.

When the French colonised one of my ancestors, a teacher/missionary, was thrown out of Tahiti with the rest, and came to SA.

Unfortunately the Reformation did not finish the job; and Islam has not had its reformation yet.

Esxcuse me man, I am an atheist and I have no idea what “your Jesus” you talking about.

Come on man, have you read any of my posts?

@ Bill Rogers, as an atheist it would be against my beliefs to attend a church service and I think it would also be disrespectful. That particular church is 50 metres from my house.
I have people coming past every sunday trying to preach to or convert me. I dont like it, but they do it every sunday, even though I ask them, politely, not to.

Africa may have been a “savage” land, but it was an African Savage land, before our forefathers came here to convert people and for a little side note, to take their land and enslave them.

Enlightened christian men were taking the african to Portugal, Spain, America, England and enslaving them.

A balanced view about other religions, sure in another article with another title and another religion in its headline. Other religions are not applicable to this topic although I know many – more often than not the aggressor has been Islam in North Africa anyway – others are not without fault.

Interestingly I wonder if we’re family, I am a Rogers too

regards
TheBrr

The people I know with the most intellectual integrity tend to be agnostic: the “I don’t presume to know the unknowable” kind of folks. That position has a lot more humility than atheists who are just as dogmatic in their beliefs as fundamentalist believers (and just as aggressive in sharing it with others–which I have no problem with, marketplace of ideas and all, but be honest and cop to it).

Neither are monolithic entities. Both are products of the time and place in which they exist, of the people missionizing and the people who were missionized (although even that language is imprecise suggesting a subject/object relationship that negates the agency of indigenous peoples), of their particular milieus, denominations, nations, educations, etc.

Christianity didn’t have a method. Neither did Islam. There are as many as there are people who claim the name.

Lyndall, jihad in Islam has a long and varied history, but there is a policy that has been in effect since Muhammad of protection for non-Muslims (known literally as dhimmis, meaning “the protected”) living in Muslim societies that protects their rights to varying degrees although generally an additional tax is levied upon them. Some societies lived up to it more than others, but it is a Quranic principle.

The Islam you see now is not the only Islam that has ever existed. It is actually a fairly obscure sect known as Wahhabism, founded in the 18th century by Muhammad ibn abd-al-Wahhab, who allied himself with the tribe that became the Saudi royal family; Saudi petrodollars now guarantee that it is exported globally. In other words, they just have a louder megaphone than anyone else because of the money they can pour into educational materials, mosques, schools, etc. But twas not always thus.