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		<title>By: Nicola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been a whole lot of missing the point in these comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a whole lot of missing the point in these comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Immodium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Immodium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand where this whole idea emerged that living on a rainy island is crappy.  If you&#039;re good enough, &quot;rainy&quot; states in the Western world offer a plethora of opportunities and a quality of life that one could only dream of in other parts of the world.  

The point is to claim your place in the world. If you&#039;re living in the dregs of society, anywhere is shite (there&#039;s more to life than working a job you hate or being a non-descript office automaton)... 

one should rather focus on how good the &quot;good&quot; can be and really take advantage of things that you wouldn&#039;t be afforded back home i.e. invaluable work experience, access to some of the worlds best/active/rigorous/competitive academic institutions, real integrated multicultural immersion &amp; exchanges (not some half-assed political notion in the ether), the ability to travel to many culturally distinct countries affordably and within a close range, massive economies that can happily accomodate budding entrepreneurs.

Seriously- the fact that these countries are so candidly dismissed as &quot;crappy&quot; indicates one of two things:

1) Ignorance.. no knowledge of the contrary (a real shame in other words)
2) Ignorance.. even more of a shame.. actually offensive !

Remember; Losers whine... winners grab it by the nuts !
Let&#039;s be real shall we !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand where this whole idea emerged that living on a rainy island is crappy.  If you&#8217;re good enough, &#8220;rainy&#8221; states in the Western world offer a plethora of opportunities and a quality of life that one could only dream of in other parts of the world.  </p>
<p>The point is to claim your place in the world. If you&#8217;re living in the dregs of society, anywhere is shite (there&#8217;s more to life than working a job you hate or being a non-descript office automaton)&#8230; </p>
<p>one should rather focus on how good the &#8220;good&#8221; can be and really take advantage of things that you wouldn&#8217;t be afforded back home i.e. invaluable work experience, access to some of the worlds best/active/rigorous/competitive academic institutions, real integrated multicultural immersion &amp; exchanges (not some half-assed political notion in the ether), the ability to travel to many culturally distinct countries affordably and within a close range, massive economies that can happily accomodate budding entrepreneurs.</p>
<p>Seriously- the fact that these countries are so candidly dismissed as &#8220;crappy&#8221; indicates one of two things:</p>
<p>1) Ignorance.. no knowledge of the contrary (a real shame in other words)<br />
2) Ignorance.. even more of a shame.. actually offensive !</p>
<p>Remember; Losers whine&#8230; winners grab it by the nuts !<br />
Let&#8217;s be real shall we !</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ da supporter

I actually have an interest in SA because I have friends and relatives there, and I&#039;m good friends with one of TL&#039;s writers. I comment constructively most of the time, but there is a smug tone frequently taken against expats that makes us out to be a pack of cowardly traitors who left because of racism, all suffering dingy existences in mouldy little shoeboxes devoid of any &quot;quality of life&quot;, culture or nature. 

It could not be further from the truth. Hell, last winter I was able to take a lovely, affordable weekend trip into the near-equatorial tropics (within the borders of the same country!), the kind of thing I could never afford in SA.

If Thought Leader is ostensibly a journalistic enterprise, I can&#039;t let the kind of routine, cliché-ed besmirching of expats go uncommented upon. It&#039;s lazy, smug and jingoistic in a way that does not reflect well on SA at all: &quot;ha, your countries are boring dumps!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ da supporter</p>
<p>I actually have an interest in SA because I have friends and relatives there, and I&#8217;m good friends with one of TL&#8217;s writers. I comment constructively most of the time, but there is a smug tone frequently taken against expats that makes us out to be a pack of cowardly traitors who left because of racism, all suffering dingy existences in mouldy little shoeboxes devoid of any &#8220;quality of life&#8221;, culture or nature. </p>
<p>It could not be further from the truth. Hell, last winter I was able to take a lovely, affordable weekend trip into the near-equatorial tropics (within the borders of the same country!), the kind of thing I could never afford in SA.</p>
<p>If Thought Leader is ostensibly a journalistic enterprise, I can&#8217;t let the kind of routine, cliché-ed besmirching of expats go uncommented upon. It&#8217;s lazy, smug and jingoistic in a way that does not reflect well on SA at all: &#8220;ha, your countries are boring dumps!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: da supporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>da supporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ladyfingers and Paul S......whilst I am envious of your safe haven lifestyle, I have to wonder why you still visit South African forums. Is it some sort of validation issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ladyfingers and Paul S&#8230;&#8230;whilst I am envious of your safe haven lifestyle, I have to wonder why you still visit South African forums. Is it some sort of validation issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ da supporter

Does it? It doesn&#039;t seem like a good place for my friend who got a breadknife inserted into his neck. 

Or my friend&#039;s father who was shot in the street for his wallet. 

Or my friend who got a knife through the heart making a call in a telephone booth. 

Or my friend who got raped. 

Or me when &quot;Proudly South African&quot; entepreneurs stiffed me on payments that were less than an installment on their new BMWs. 

Or my cousin whose spine was destroyed by a drill sergeant and is permanently supine because the state cheaped out on surgery.

Or the millions of people in shacks surrounding barbed-wire suburbs financed by overdrafts.

Or the victims of xenophobic pogroms.

Or women.

I&#039;m not saying that it&#039;s only the avaricious, cutthroat, shallow or sociopathic that inhabit the place, I&#039;m saying they seem to have a tremendous advantage in dealing with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ da supporter</p>
<p>Does it? It doesn&#8217;t seem like a good place for my friend who got a breadknife inserted into his neck. </p>
<p>Or my friend&#8217;s father who was shot in the street for his wallet. </p>
<p>Or my friend who got a knife through the heart making a call in a telephone booth. </p>
<p>Or my friend who got raped. </p>
<p>Or me when &#8220;Proudly South African&#8221; entepreneurs stiffed me on payments that were less than an installment on their new BMWs. </p>
<p>Or my cousin whose spine was destroyed by a drill sergeant and is permanently supine because the state cheaped out on surgery.</p>
<p>Or the millions of people in shacks surrounding barbed-wire suburbs financed by overdrafts.</p>
<p>Or the victims of xenophobic pogroms.</p>
<p>Or women.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that it&#8217;s only the avaricious, cutthroat, shallow or sociopathic that inhabit the place, I&#8217;m saying they seem to have a tremendous advantage in dealing with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladyfingers - SPOT ON !!! A nail-on-the-head analysis that I can apply to life here in Canada too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladyfingers &#8211; SPOT ON !!! A nail-on-the-head analysis that I can apply to life here in Canada too.</p>
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		<title>By: da supporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>da supporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ladyfingers....I do not believe you, for the simple reason that you can make mindless comments like.... &quot;It’s a good place for no-one but the most nakedly avaricious, cutthroat, shallow or out-and-out sociopathic people&quot;. This exposes you as a fool, even if the rest of what you say makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ladyfingers&#8230;.I do not believe you, for the simple reason that you can make mindless comments like&#8230;. &#8220;It’s a good place for no-one but the most nakedly avaricious, cutthroat, shallow or out-and-out sociopathic people&#8221;. This exposes you as a fool, even if the rest of what you say makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in Cape Town in &#039;77 and applied for a skills based permanent residence visa to live in Australia. I emigrated blind to get out of SA,  I&#039;ve been here two years and do not regret it for a second.

I emigrated because I no longer felt welcome or safe and being an entirely cerebral (if not particularly bright) person, I was interested in nothing much in South Africa. It&#039;s a good place for no-one but the most nakedly avaricious, cutthroat, shallow or out-and-out sociopathic people.

I&#039;m a quite happy to be a nobody, and live a modest little life, as are most Australians. The South Africans who moan about the difficulties of achieving in first world countries are a pack of over-entitled, over-privileged, conceited swine with no desire to assimilate, and are often quite rightly disliked. Aasvoel hit the nail on the head.

You want it to be easier to get ahead? The bus I take in the morning is full of professional people who are still studying in their forties. University graduates are not special here.

My sunshine needs (not much, I prefer to remain my natural colour) are sorted, my healthcare is sorted, my security is sorted, my career is sorted and I&#039;ll have citizenship in another two years. And if I feel like going to another country, it&#039;ll be a lot cheaper and easier than from SA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in Cape Town in &#8217;77 and applied for a skills based permanent residence visa to live in Australia. I emigrated blind to get out of SA,  I&#8217;ve been here two years and do not regret it for a second.</p>
<p>I emigrated because I no longer felt welcome or safe and being an entirely cerebral (if not particularly bright) person, I was interested in nothing much in South Africa. It&#8217;s a good place for no-one but the most nakedly avaricious, cutthroat, shallow or out-and-out sociopathic people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a quite happy to be a nobody, and live a modest little life, as are most Australians. The South Africans who moan about the difficulties of achieving in first world countries are a pack of over-entitled, over-privileged, conceited swine with no desire to assimilate, and are often quite rightly disliked. Aasvoel hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>You want it to be easier to get ahead? The bus I take in the morning is full of professional people who are still studying in their forties. University graduates are not special here.</p>
<p>My sunshine needs (not much, I prefer to remain my natural colour) are sorted, my healthcare is sorted, my security is sorted, my career is sorted and I&#8217;ll have citizenship in another two years. And if I feel like going to another country, it&#8217;ll be a lot cheaper and easier than from SA.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sheer silliness of it all irks you, does it, Amanda ?  Take a look at this news item (shortened) from Knysna yesterday. Probably didn&#039;t even make national news in SA : &quot;KNYSNA policemen face an identity parade today after a 32-year- old Plettenberg Bay guesthouse owner was allegedly raped at the weekend after celebrating her birthday.
The woman was subjected to a two- hour ordeal in which she was forced to hide in the bushes and behind walls as her attackers hunted her down&quot;
  Perhaps ask the victim here if she&#039;d be interested in an &#039;escape route&#039;. Anyone who still lives in SA and doesn&#039;t have a contingency plan is seriously deluded. And criminally so, if they have dependants and children they are supposed to love and be responsible for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sheer silliness of it all irks you, does it, Amanda ?  Take a look at this news item (shortened) from Knysna yesterday. Probably didn&#8217;t even make national news in SA : &#8220;KNYSNA policemen face an identity parade today after a 32-year- old Plettenberg Bay guesthouse owner was allegedly raped at the weekend after celebrating her birthday.<br />
The woman was subjected to a two- hour ordeal in which she was forced to hide in the bushes and behind walls as her attackers hunted her down&#8221;<br />
  Perhaps ask the victim here if she&#8217;d be interested in an &#8216;escape route&#8217;. Anyone who still lives in SA and doesn&#8217;t have a contingency plan is seriously deluded. And criminally so, if they have dependants and children they are supposed to love and be responsible for.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont really understand why saffas get so uptight about the passport situation. It is quite normal in all other countries for the youth to do the same thing. There are loads of canadians, brazilians, australians, indians, chinese, japanese etc etc trying to do the same thing in the UK. What attracts most people are the career chances, lifestyle and open creative attitudes. For me I like the fact I can have investments and savings, buy great sound equipment (or a house), travel the world, give to charity, see great bands and know that anywhere in the world the NHS will cover my costs and the embassy is always there to help....plus have a little change left over. This all at the age of 26 without a degree in SA would not be possible. In SA there are other advantages like the weather, surfing, friendly people, braais, boerewors and beats. I am really jealous of cape towns growing music scene, the stuff that has been coming out lately is off the hook! And young saffas are growing in confidence of their own identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont really understand why saffas get so uptight about the passport situation. It is quite normal in all other countries for the youth to do the same thing. There are loads of canadians, brazilians, australians, indians, chinese, japanese etc etc trying to do the same thing in the UK. What attracts most people are the career chances, lifestyle and open creative attitudes. For me I like the fact I can have investments and savings, buy great sound equipment (or a house), travel the world, give to charity, see great bands and know that anywhere in the world the NHS will cover my costs and the embassy is always there to help&#8230;.plus have a little change left over. This all at the age of 26 without a degree in SA would not be possible. In SA there are other advantages like the weather, surfing, friendly people, braais, boerewors and beats. I am really jealous of cape towns growing music scene, the stuff that has been coming out lately is off the hook! And young saffas are growing in confidence of their own identity.</p>
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