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		<title>By: cyberdog</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/alisontilley/2008/09/22/mbeki-as-tragic-hero-not/comment-page-1/#comment-55825</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandi - I Agree with you wholeheartedly, however the blame does not only lie with Thabo. The Whole African National Clown&#039;s policy on AIDS was at fault. And there were many other Clowns that stood out in the AID&#039;s controversy, Including Zuma, who&#039;s AID&#039;s dissidence, amongst other failures has earned him a promotion to ANC President. I feel it is &quot;out of the frying Pan, and into the fire&quot; for South Africa. Thabo did Fail, the African National Clowns as a whole Has failed even more, and we, the people will bear the brunt of the failures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandi &#8211; I Agree with you wholeheartedly, however the blame does not only lie with Thabo. The Whole African National Clown&#8217;s policy on AIDS was at fault. And there were many other Clowns that stood out in the AID&#8217;s controversy, Including Zuma, who&#8217;s AID&#8217;s dissidence, amongst other failures has earned him a promotion to ANC President. I feel it is &#8220;out of the frying Pan, and into the fire&#8221; for South Africa. Thabo did Fail, the African National Clowns as a whole Has failed even more, and we, the people will bear the brunt of the failures.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandi K</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/alisontilley/2008/09/22/mbeki-as-tragic-hero-not/comment-page-1/#comment-55663</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, what&#039;s with the brutal dissing of Allison? She had a few thoughts as she watched Thabo resign, as did I, and I&#039;m sure neither of us expected him to mea culpa for one seccy! Comrade Thabo was deep in the pockets of the corporates, and so will his successor be, is already - would that be ameliorated by Allison and her ilk zipping their lips and not speaking ill of those in power?
Yeah, he did a great job. At what, exactly? I was at a funeral a while back - the mother of a nine-year-old boy who died because she got antiretrovirals - too late to save her life. She took her place among the rows and rows of raw, red graves, all bearing pathetic little sticks with names and ages on them: Khomotso, aged 29; Slindile, aged 34...
Then a friend took a dying woman to Helen Joseph. She was dying beause she was given antiretrovirals, they gave her some side-effects, she went back to the clinic where a NURSING SISTER told her not to take them, &quot;They are poison&quot;. This evil sits directly at Thabo&#039;s door. Don&#039;t tell me through this medium about how wonderful he was at diplomacy or something nice and abstract like that; come with me to the graves, those nice, new graves, and in front of the orphans of young mothers and fathers, tell me what a great man he was...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, what&#8217;s with the brutal dissing of Allison? She had a few thoughts as she watched Thabo resign, as did I, and I&#8217;m sure neither of us expected him to mea culpa for one seccy! Comrade Thabo was deep in the pockets of the corporates, and so will his successor be, is already &#8211; would that be ameliorated by Allison and her ilk zipping their lips and not speaking ill of those in power?<br />
Yeah, he did a great job. At what, exactly? I was at a funeral a while back &#8211; the mother of a nine-year-old boy who died because she got antiretrovirals &#8211; too late to save her life. She took her place among the rows and rows of raw, red graves, all bearing pathetic little sticks with names and ages on them: Khomotso, aged 29; Slindile, aged 34&#8230;<br />
Then a friend took a dying woman to Helen Joseph. She was dying beause she was given antiretrovirals, they gave her some side-effects, she went back to the clinic where a NURSING SISTER told her not to take them, &#8220;They are poison&#8221;. This evil sits directly at Thabo&#8217;s door. Don&#8217;t tell me through this medium about how wonderful he was at diplomacy or something nice and abstract like that; come with me to the graves, those nice, new graves, and in front of the orphans of young mothers and fathers, tell me what a great man he was&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/alisontilley/2008/09/22/mbeki-as-tragic-hero-not/comment-page-1/#comment-55476</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The evil that men do lives after them. The good is often interred with their bones&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The evil that men do lives after them. The good is often interred with their bones&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Babas</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/alisontilley/2008/09/22/mbeki-as-tragic-hero-not/comment-page-1/#comment-55469</link>
		<dc:creator>Babas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are those (few I must mention) who loathe every good thing that comes out of Africa. Ofcourse the same hypocritically lament every ill coming out of Africa. They assume that every good thing in this continent should come from their kind.

These dinosaurs irritate some, but to others they are necessary scums that will highlight to our children and the coming generations the origins of racism, slavery and other evils that have been endured by Africans

Mbeki has done an excellent job as a president with all his mistakes

Former President Mandela once alluded to the fact that there has never been a president or prime minister in SA who has achieved as much as President Thabo Mbeki has achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are those (few I must mention) who loathe every good thing that comes out of Africa. Ofcourse the same hypocritically lament every ill coming out of Africa. They assume that every good thing in this continent should come from their kind.</p>
<p>These dinosaurs irritate some, but to others they are necessary scums that will highlight to our children and the coming generations the origins of racism, slavery and other evils that have been endured by Africans</p>
<p>Mbeki has done an excellent job as a president with all his mistakes</p>
<p>Former President Mandela once alluded to the fact that there has never been a president or prime minister in SA who has achieved as much as President Thabo Mbeki has achieved.</p>
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		<title>By: MFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tragedy is not Mbeki&#039;s. The tragedy is South Africa&#039;s.

And people like you, Alison, did your little best to make it happen by smearing the Mbeki government and refusing to criticise the corporate-backed gang who were being brought in.

But of course you would never dream of accepting personal responsibility for anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tragedy is not Mbeki&#8217;s. The tragedy is South Africa&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And people like you, Alison, did your little best to make it happen by smearing the Mbeki government and refusing to criticise the corporate-backed gang who were being brought in.</p>
<p>But of course you would never dream of accepting personal responsibility for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trite, shallow and schmaltzy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trite, shallow and schmaltzy.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allison, I just don&#039;t get the thrust of you message here. Did you expect President Mbeki to do a mea culpa a thousand different times for the duration of his speech? Just what&#039;s wrong in listing one&#039;s achievements, if these are the things you are elected to do? As for customary law, isn&#039;t that the function of the courts and the legislature and not the executive? - and where in the speech did he say anything about rape? I get the feeling you needed to say something negative and went about scratching very hard within your rather limited head space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allison, I just don&#8217;t get the thrust of you message here. Did you expect President Mbeki to do a mea culpa a thousand different times for the duration of his speech? Just what&#8217;s wrong in listing one&#8217;s achievements, if these are the things you are elected to do? As for customary law, isn&#8217;t that the function of the courts and the legislature and not the executive? &#8211; and where in the speech did he say anything about rape? I get the feeling you needed to say something negative and went about scratching very hard within your rather limited head space.</p>
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		<title>By: Mbeki as Shakesperian tragic hero &#171; Couch trip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mbeki as Shakesperian tragic hero &#171; Couch trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I see that Alison Tilley over at Thoughtleader has had similar (but also quite different) ideas on this subject. And Zapiro, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I see that Alison Tilley over at Thoughtleader has had similar (but also quite different) ideas on this subject. And Zapiro, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/alisontilley/2008/09/22/mbeki-as-tragic-hero-not/comment-page-1/#comment-55403</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am dying, Egypt. Dying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am dying, Egypt. Dying.</p>
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